11:31 am - 11/11/2012

French TV documentary on Kpop

On Thursday 8 November , a french tv show Envoyé special made a documentary about Kpop.










source:T-ara Fansub ,SMentEXO2 , jazahkHD
ceecile 11th-Nov-2012 08:07 pm (UTC)
I'm afraid to watch. I'm so embarrassed by the French docu I've seen on Kpop.
And Envoyé Spécial sucks. They did one on my university that was so terrible the director threatened to sue if they didn't apologize.
visual_jaeho 11th-Nov-2012 09:10 pm (UTC)
This is exactly how i feel, i'm not watching this :/
jinhongsaek 11th-Nov-2012 08:16 pm (UTC)
wasn't the one on Exo like 11 minutes long?
epona 11th-Nov-2012 08:23 pm (UTC)
The five minutes was all that included exo.
yingmoon26 11th-Nov-2012 08:53 pm (UTC)
lol they made it sound sooo horrible...and all the members are pretty marionettes controlled by the companies and they can't do anything they want at all(in a way true I guess but...still...they are human)

i have to question where they get some of those numbers from (like monthly salaries for the members) because i feel like that is definitely something that companies nor members would disclose and it varies depending on what you do, side projects, etc.
uledy 11th-Nov-2012 09:12 pm (UTC)
Yea, the lines that struck me:

"they're young, talented, and...almost interchangeable"

"it's forbidden to talk about their work conditions, private lives and plastic surgeries"

When they put it like that, it just really shows how little autonomy these artists have over their public image and their own private lives...SM has so many talented artists that it's truly regrettable that they're with such an awful company....*sigh*
gathyou 11th-Nov-2012 09:14 pm (UTC)
I don't like them, they're always over-dramatic and only looking for BAD things - I've seen some videos that were actually embarrassing for them. And I had to mute the videos, I hated the intonation and voice they used in French. I don't know, it was too weird.
There are some crazy articles surfacing in French media, about K-Pop. It's really embarassing.
soramai 11th-Nov-2012 10:46 pm (UTC)
ikr ? I hate the intonation and the voice too.
izabera 11th-Nov-2012 09:33 pm (UTC)
It wasn't as bad as I expected and they got most of their facts right, but I wonder where they got that figure of 5000 euros a month average salary (average where exactly?).

Focusing on the manufactured aspect is just stating the obvious, and sometimes it's healthy to be reminded that most idols are a carefully controlled and calculated product.


miss_pioupiou 11th-Nov-2012 09:43 pm (UTC)
"Le petit Canadien Justin Bieber" avec la voix et l'intonation à la Capitale, je suis morte de rire.
miss_pioupiou 11th-Nov-2012 10:09 pm (UTC)
At the end they comment on how kdramas will soon appear on French TV. If only... jdramas have been popular for even longer, and they are yet to be broadcast.
rinn1e 11th-Nov-2012 11:07 pm (UTC)
Importing Jdramas is much more expensive compared to Kdramas. It helps that Korea wants to branch out, unlike JP.
benihime99 11th-Nov-2012 10:12 pm (UTC)
Saw it on tv.
It wasn't as bad as usual but they need to realize SM is not the only one out there
hipployta 12th-Nov-2012 01:14 am (UTC)
It was annoying but I watched for my EXO babies...

WERK TAO

Kris and Chanyeol remain adorable together

KRIS ENGLISH...I would have thought meeting and talking to him would have lessened my bias for him...nope.

Though...they look like Twins? Really? So all Asian people look alike to you? I make fun of people when they say that stupid shit at work about me or others so Kris is way nicer/better trained in PR than me.
melizah 12th-Nov-2012 06:17 am (UTC)
I also side-eyeded the twin comment. But Kris played it off pretty coolly.

This documentary was too short to explain the complex thing that is Kpop.
lee_chikin 12th-Nov-2012 09:39 am (UTC)
"Oh wow, why does Chinese remind me so much of French when Tao speaks it in this comment? Wait, did Tao speak French? OMG THEY DUBBED HIM"
bulleusekat 12th-Nov-2012 11:34 am (UTC)
So sad I can't watch this :( ... I'm curious to know how bad this Envoyé Special is D:
sisterjune 12th-Nov-2012 08:20 pm (UTC)
Heechul really seems younger I'm surprised! But then I feel that way about alot of my jpop biases like I cannot fathom how Ikuta Toma is almost 30. that is wiggin me out lol. Yeah Heechul seemed like a regular but so far I've only been able to find two subbed eps with Heechul but wow they are aces. He is seriously one of the most charming caustically funny idols i've ever seen. I love him ;_; I really do want to watch every old thing he's been in but there's SO much and I dont know where to start and you know alot of it I dont even know where to FIND. So far I have bookmarked suju intimate note episodes on youtube and I found a nice handy guide that lists all the episodes of strong heart heechul (and other suju members i dont care about lol) have been on. Now there's just the matter of finding time lol. just keeping up with shinee and exo m and kdramas is taking up what little free time i have -_- Hmm would I toss one of those groups under the bus for heechul *thinks*

I have seen clips of Heechul with other suju members but very few, but I did get the impression that he's a hothead and very sharp tongued XD But I....love that? XD I love it tho. and I did remember reading once that Suju avoids getting Heechul angry because he's like vesuvius and thus everyone is scared of him lol. I thought maybe it was an exaggeration but maybe it was the whole truth hahaha. I do wonder though, what is suju's relationship with Chul? I got the feeling that heechul was closest to the ones who've since left, ie kibum and hangeng and I mean siwon seems to adore heechul (or at least he used to...) but heechul doesnt seem quite as keen on siwon. altho who can blame him? lol. Makes me wonder. I mean I assume they all get along fine and they are just a short tempered big ego'd bunch in general but I do wonder who's closest to who sometimes.
but wow sorry I'm meandering, basically I dont really get where ELFs get off trying to police Heechul's behavior with his own bandmates. I mean I assume Suju can deal with it and that Heechul isnt actually causing deep harm and I think if he was and one of them told him about it I think Heechul would cut it out. Like the thing with Heechul is yeah he speaks his mind and he takes no shit and gives no fucks. but like he does care about people, esp those closest to him. and he's not like heartless even tho he likes to pretend he's a cold bitch but I think he's actually got alot of sentiment and warmth in there....somewhere hahaha. but I mean just the way Heechul bawled his eyes out like his whole family had died onstage during a suju concert once (I read it was related to hangeng's departure do you know if thats true?) or his regret that he couldnt help hangeng and didnt do enough for him. and even just the kind things he DOES say. They sound super genuine and heartfelt. So like god you probably know all this XD But like it pisses me off that so many fangirls can judge his entire character like this and feel like they have a say in his fucking personal relationships when they all see one small part of who he is. and even petals like us wont ever really know Heechul entirely hell maybe his own best friend(s) wont. So like, fuckin kpop fangirls man. they really need to learn a thing called boundaries. I'm glad the management never gave Heechul shit over this, or at least if they did Heechul didnt listen because he didnt change at all lol. Bless him frankly. Alot of other idols would fold like a house of cards under such pressure and hostility from netizens. I hope he never ever changes lol. (for the record I really like hangeng too. I'm glad he still speaks well of suju on occasion, its somewhat comforting to know that geng's issue was really with SM and not the boys themselves)
hipployta 12th-Nov-2012 09:51 pm (UTC)
Okay...LOL. Heechul did take a 2 year break from variety...he randomly came on the first IY which ended his break. (http://www.kshownow.net/2011/07/invincible-youth-episode-18-w-kim.html)

Umm...Heechul does have a temper and he tells stories about it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CWfwjfq3BA

Heechul is close to Siwon but he LOVES to tease/bully him. Check out a couple of their clips
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aWsdO4sFFw&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMVRHScybKg&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eqQjiY7bYc

For the first part let me share some links. You can find a lot of old shows on Multiply.

XMAN (I only posting a few talking clips...this show is throughly subbed so you can find them all as I just got trapped watching old episodes for a bit)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c42WykQW3Tk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfnLLQFpmvM&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgoKDckoEvQ&feature=relmfu
http://jinheechul.multiply.com/video/item/25/Kim-Heechul-sings-Chutcha-live-on-X-man-2007.04.01

Happy Shares Company
Heechul vs Baek Ji Young
http://smb2stfinitesubs.blogspot.com/2012/09/eng-sub-full-compilation-of-mbc-happy.html

YSMM 170
http://jinheechul.multiply.com/video/item/35

YSMM 217 (2007)
http://easel79.multiply.com/video/item/26/YSMM-Heechul-Cuts-217-1-Eng-Sub
http://obelivion.multiply.com/video/item/124/YSMM-Heechul-Cuts-217-2-Eng-Sub

YSMM 232
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xelnps_ysmm-heechul-hankyung-dongwan-cuts_lifestyle

Three Charming Women
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52G8wMRm3sg&feature=related

Happy Together Friends (4 parts)
Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yz_JVG_KcU4&feature=related

YSSM Season Two with Heechul, Kangin, Ji Min Invasion (7 Parts I think)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZHDMkV2F2M

Becoming a Good Dad (I shared one clip)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOB3IdK5PgI&feature=related

Band of Brothers (Heechul, Kangin, Jay, Jungmo)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlDEipfTVMI

Intimate Note (I really used to like this show before they changed the format)
http://smb2stfinitesubs.blogspot.com/2012/08/eng-sub-full-090424-sbs-intimate-note.html

Golden Fishery (Before the current format)
Heechul addresses rumors about himself
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpqKTDpnzXA&feature=relmfu

Running Man (He just walks in LOL)
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xgbpmt_isubs-rm20-1-4_fun

Oh My School
Heechul took over a visiting friends special...I want to say it aired within the first 10 episodes but here's a clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wa3YOvanrR4&feature=related

Radio Star (Heechul became the MC after the Ms Shin scandal)
http://superzvicki.wordpress.com/2011/11/12/2010-golden-fishery-radio-star-heechul-eng/

Strong Heart (I think he did 3 solo episodes and then the Super Junior Special right before he went to the Army so 5 episodes?)
http://smb2stfinitesubs.blogspot.com/2012/08/eng-sub-full-compilation-of-sbs-strong.html

Immortal Song (Heechul did an episode with Hongki)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_f30pn9wLjY&feature=related

Heechul took Chocoball to Come To Play before he went to the Army...but I'm blanking on where those episodes are. Dailymotion I think

Heechul was on Family Outing Season 2 so I'm sure that's subbed too

He also went on Happy Together Season 3 a couple of times (danced Adult Ceremony LOL)

He did the show 100 vs 1 or 8 vs 1..or something like that too. He brought Taeyeon on an episode

SuJu Shows

Super Junior Show
http://smb2stfinitesubs.blogspot.com/2012/08/eng-sub-full-complete-2006-km-super.html

Super Junior Full House http://ithetimes.wordpress.com/sbs-super-junior-full-house-eng-sub/
(Awesome clip from Full House http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgde6JBJNHI)

SuJu Explorers of the Human Body
https://ithetimes.wordpress.com/sbs-super-junior-exploration-of-the-human-body-eng-sub/

Heechul went with them on Night Star (Onew's old show)

Edited at 2012-11-12 10:40 pm (UTC)
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