12:12 pm - 08/10/2017

Hyoyeon thanks EXO for being the only junior group to greet them at M! Countdown

It's a common practice for junior groups to come to senior groups rooms and greet them, usually gifting them with the album they are currently promoting. Hyoyeon recently took to instagram to reveal that EXO were the only juniors to come and greet them and gift SNSD their new album. Many seniors have noted that junior groups don't come and greet them any longer, and plenty of fans are angered by the news.

Have you seen this?ㅎㅎ

'Feeling grateful towards the only junior who came to greet us'


1. [+435][-109] I'm way much madder than she is..ㅋㅋㅋ Aren't there a lot of rookie groups who performed in the same music show today? How could they not go to greet their seniors.. That's very rude..

2. [+407][-76] Seems like she was really annoyed by that..ㅋㅋㅋ No wonder, I would've reacted the same way if I was her.. I mean, all of the idol groups who performed in that music show must be SNSD's juniors.. On top of that, by 10 years..

3. [+366][-73] Crazy..ㅋㅋㅋ The singers who performed in that music show, except for Raina, debuted later than Exo, which makes them SNSD's juniors as well. Am I right?? Even the idols who are already 6 years into their debut came to greet the 11-years old idols.. What are they doing instead of greeting them??

4. [+274][-288] The seniority in entertainment industry is seriously no joke..ㅋㅋ Well, Exo and SNSD are under the same label and that's why Exo came to greet them. Why do the idols who are not even under the same label have to come to their waiting room??? I can understand it if they pass by each other and not greet SNSD, that is rude, but it's a whole different case we're talking about here.. I mean, we're not in militaryㅋㅋㅋ How about you guys? Do you always go to the teacher's room to greet them one by one during your school days? Or do you even greet the alumnis of your school when they visit your school?

5. [+226][-22] Look at the best comments.. Are you guys muggles, or just new to this fangirl life??ㅋㅋㅋ It is given for singers to go to their seniors' waiting room to give out signed albums every time they make a debut or comeback. That's the etiquette in this industryㅋㅋㅋ Those who like senior groups must know this really wellㅋㅋ And Hyoyeon's intention behind posting that is not to throw shades, but simply just because she felt grateful towards Exo because they were the only junior who came to greet her group..

6. [+167][-28]ㅋㅋㅋㅋ Where did the group that just debuted today go..?

7. [+164][-12] GFriend has always mentioned SNSD as their role models, even in the most recent interview. And yet they didn't come to greet them?ㅋㅋㅋㅋ That's hilarious..

8. [+156][-9] Just think about it.. Imagine if you were an idol who's already 10 years into your debut, you made a comeback, and none of your juniors came to greet you in your waiting room. Wouldn't you be upset?

9. [+145][-7] The only groups who have been in the industry for quite long time are SNSD and Exo, am I right? SNSD is a 11 years old group, a big senior while Exo is a 6 years old group.. Seems like idols nowadays are really thoughtless.. I bet they didn't greet Exo, I mean.. They didn't even greet SNSD..ㅋㅋㅋ

10. [+134][-16] It's not like SNSD often makes a comeback or anything, they're having a comeback after a really long time and their juniors didn't come to greet them.. That's kinda rude;; SNSD is a big senior to them..

Kim Tae Woo scolding juniors for not greeting Kim Jong Seo, Lee Hyori, Heechul about Kang Ta


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so what do you think, omona? are younger groups rude or have times changed?

note to mods: i went through the links again and it seems that the pann post was taken down?
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365daysafter 10th-Aug-2017 05:21 pm (UTC)
I guess times have changed with the direction this is going, but I still find it rude. SNSD paved the way for your faves, and they aren't wrong about letting fame get to their heads as soon as they become popular lol

Snsd are everyone's faves, atleast that's what they say, but then no one greets them oops lol

Edited at 2017-08-10 05:26 pm (UTC)
nana_the_dwarf 10th-Aug-2017 05:24 pm (UTC)
Are juniors preparing their signed albums after this? I don't think it's necessarily rude, just times changing; even so, it was so cute watching these interactions back in the day.

I think it's a matter of being bit disappointing for older gen idols that the tradition is wearing off, but who knows, since seniority is a big thing so maybe it is actually upsetting to some of them. I remember reading about Kim Tae Woo being legitimately pissed when a senior told him he had been the only one to greet him during a music show so he (Tae Woo) gathered the juniors, made them line up and bow to the guy.

Edited at 2017-08-10 05:25 pm (UTC)
mylovebelt 10th-Aug-2017 05:27 pm (UTC)
yeah, it's included in this post! he scolded them and lined them all up to greet Kim Jong Seo. it's also on kpopkfans
torontok 10th-Aug-2017 05:25 pm (UTC)
Imo it is rude. There are still many rookie groups like KNK and A.C.E who go to sunbaes and hand out albums and do greetings (They've done this with APink and Sistar iirc) so it just kinda shows who's been trained better by their company. I can grant some leeway, like hey maybe they didn't have the album on hand to give out but that doesn't mean they can't take a minute to go bow and say hello.

And apart from the manners factor, it's stupid to not take advantage of the networking oppurtunity, imagine if Hyoyeon had posted about some rookie group on insta, that's a publicity boost for them they may not otherwise get.Plus a senior might remember you and that can benefit you down the line as well.

Edited at 2017-08-10 05:26 pm (UTC)
strangerstheme 10th-Aug-2017 09:56 pm (UTC)
mte @ the last part. I was reading the post and thinking at the same time "haven't these groups heard of networking?!". especially knowing that idols these days don't greet their seniors it's a perfect opportunity to give yourself a good reputation and maybe get some publicity
jazzygyu 10th-Aug-2017 05:26 pm (UTC)
I defiantly understand younger idols do need to get better at that and I defiantly agree with leetuk that it's better to be humble. But I kinda understand what the comments mean like in passing yeah you should greet senior groups but why do they have to come to their waiting room..? Am I just ignorant is that a common thing to do?

Edited at 2017-08-10 05:28 pm (UTC)
365daysafter 10th-Aug-2017 05:32 pm (UTC)
It was a common thing to do, a few years ago during second gen. Actually, when I say common I meant you did it bc seniority is a big thing in korean society, and it's no different in the idol industry. Especially with nugus, they'd bring their albums to the senior groups. Mnet and the other music shows usually broadcast it, or atleast the groups own tv shows would show them greeting their seniors.

It's worse since snsd are 10 years old and their accomplishments helped paved the way for other groups, specifically girl groups. So yeah, it's like saying you admire snsd but then don't even do something that's considered courteous and respectful

Edited at 2017-08-10 05:34 pm (UTC)
daceymormont 10th-Aug-2017 05:28 pm (UTC)
I think juniors should greet their seniors when they see them and show them respect and all. But not going from room to room to give them their albums... meh I don't find it rude.
daceymormont 10th-Aug-2017 05:30 pm (UTC)
Also didn't snsd throw away a signed wonder girls album or was that just a rumor/joke? If not, sit tf down lmao
pepsi_twist9 10th-Aug-2017 05:30 pm (UTC)
I feel like it's disrespectful if only because it seems to be the juniors that have slowly made it traditional to not greet them instead of the seniors. Of course I don't live in Korea though so I don't know if this is uniquely music business or if it's common for juniors to simply not greet anymore.
normanikordei 10th-Aug-2017 05:38 pm (UTC)
I mean if she was expecting it then it's obviously a thing that happens regularly, juniors greeting seniors etc. I also think some rookies were probably intimidated, but it really falls with the managers to have albums prepared and signed for seniors when u go to a show not really the rookies themselves. the managers know who else is booked and if you see snsd celebrating their 10th anni... maybe you should have something prepared.

exo and snsd are on the same label and also friends so it's expected of them, but also still nice to see.
mlmello 10th-Aug-2017 05:41 pm (UTC)
I think it should be a manager task to be prepared for it. it's 101 image management.
pseudo_shigure 10th-Aug-2017 05:38 pm (UTC)
eh. i actually come from a similar culture, but i HATE having to meet senior in a forced situation like this. if you pass them then ok, you have to greet them. but having to come to their room would feel awkward af. eh. i just hate seniority in general.
unclbee 10th-Aug-2017 05:45 pm (UTC)
belintuchiha 10th-Aug-2017 05:40 pm (UTC)
I only remember BEG saying all juniors were scared of them so they lined up to greet them or like leaned against the walls to let them walk through the halls backstage lmfao
theweebdream 10th-Aug-2017 05:45 pm (UTC)
I've been a kpop fan since 2010 and I never knew about this haha. It's probably the American in me but I hate this kind of seniority shit, and it makes me glad we don't have this culture in America.
mlmello 10th-Aug-2017 05:45 pm (UTC)
I don't come from a culture where seniority is so important like korea and, because of this, I've my opinions about it, but I feel like this stuff could be easily avoided with the managers being prepared for it. even if the juniors think it's unnecessary, they would still do if their managers told them to. it's just managing your own artist image.
daceymormont 10th-Aug-2017 05:56 pm (UTC)
Yeah IA.
baekpedaling 10th-Aug-2017 06:03 pm (UTC)
I don't find it rude but I know it's definitely a thing that juniors are supposed to do. Especially since they pend basically all day at the broadcasting station.
I though it was basically a part of everyone's routine. You show up, do your prep stuff, greet your seniors, perform.
It's a bit shocking that it seems to not be happening since I remember reading about "scandals" and stuff for groups that they were considered rude because they didn't greet their seniors.
I specifically remember it happening for Ukiss, though I think it was never proved to be them the seniors was talking about.

Edited at 2017-08-10 06:03 pm (UTC)
rosiemotleymind 10th-Aug-2017 06:11 pm (UTC)
Hmmm I'm from America but like...in my family culture you respect people older than you by showing manners. If I don't greet my grandma she looks at me like I'm crazy lol But in a professional setting wouldn't it be expected to greet your seniors? Like my workplace is chill as fuck but we all still greet each other.

And even besides that I would think networking and having seniors have nothing but good things to say about you is great for your rep. I understand that SK seniority bs can get out of hand but when it comes to this easy greeting type of thing I don't see how that's a huge deal to go and greet your Sunbaes. The reactions have been funny though "keep SNSD name out ya mouth if ya can't even greet them"
sweetestbliss1 11th-Aug-2017 02:17 pm (UTC)
Yeah. I sometimes find the seniority thing in SK to be really crazy. I remember reading an article where someone was like "Even if your senior is wrong, you can't tell them that they are" or how they can't refuse to do something if their senior asks them to do it, even if they're uncomfortable with doing it. I think one good example is drinking. Even if you don't drink you still have to go to their hwe shik's or else you'll basically be condemned. And if you go and tell them you don't drink, they'll still try to force you to drink. Like um what.
merely_a_facade 10th-Aug-2017 06:12 pm (UTC)
if i had to live in such a hierarchical society, i'd probs feel suffocated every day.... damn

rookie groups (or anyone really, unless they're involved in the production) are not making anything from their music/CDs and then having to give away X number of CDs per week to sunbae groups & having to greet them on every. music. show. for how many weeks? & honestly no one's going to listen to all those CDs anyway... what a waste.

not to mention, given the large # of creepy assholes in the entertainment industry, if i were a girl group member, i wouldn't feel comfortable going to visit sunbae groups, esp male groups tbh

i also feel some type of way about hyoyeon putting other groups on blast.... i feel like it's so unnecessary 'cuz there's so many other factors (being intimidated, tiredness, not fully prepared, other things happening in their daily lives, etc) besides the simple explanation of "younger groups are rude these days."
pseudo_shigure 10th-Aug-2017 06:39 pm (UTC)
i agree on your last point. the second i read it i know she's the kinda senior i'd avoid. and i immediately thought of W1, bc EVERYONE knows it's their debut day, so it's even more obvious compared to the other groups.
mamamoos 10th-Aug-2017 06:23 pm (UTC)
stuff like this rly confuses me cuz you'd think idols would be aware to do stuff like this or at least wouldn't be purposefully rude, their image is everything and this is just basic politeness as i've gathered? moreover, you'd think they'd jump at the chance to greet and make a good impression to snsd. for that reason i find it hard to imagine any of them are aware of coming across as rude. rather maybe they were afraid of being a nuisance lmao
theharleyquinn 10th-Aug-2017 06:25 pm (UTC)
I wonder if also the rising tendency of people spending less time training also has to do with it? Most of the seniors trained for 4+ years which allows for a lot more time to understand the importance of etiquette when dealing with seniors at music shows, with PDs on variety shows, etc. Training time is decreasing (and then there's now the competitive shows that propel you to debut) so some of the rookies may not understand the culture. It's no excuse, but it could explain why it's not as ingrained.

It makes sense considering how scrutinized Soshi was for their manners, being juniors and a girl group (especially when their SM seniors were mostly boy groups with insane fandoms that treated them poorly for a while). I would be pissed too if I paid those dues.
lil_poisonfrog 10th-Aug-2017 06:34 pm (UTC)
This makes a lot of sense...plus there's way more groups from small, inexperienced companies now that probably don't know all the ins and outs of the industry because no one in their management does either.
sforza 10th-Aug-2017 06:29 pm (UTC)
it feels like there needs to be a kind of balance with this thing, which is maybe where things are headed, like

going out of your way to give CDs seems like a lot to me (an English person), and perhaps people in the industry are starting to feel the same way? however, as many other people have mentioned, SNSD are top ranking and it's their 10th anniversary, not going to at least greet them feels really off

I personally feel like it'd be good if they all greeted each other and were on friendly terms, regardless of seniority, and didn't feel too pressured by the current system as well, like, you go around, greet the other groups, chat, hopefully be friends, and it's all good, no extra worry or unnecessary stress

this all being said, I have a complete outsider's perspective on this, even if I am able to see somewhat how things work in this context, so

Edited at 2017-08-10 06:30 pm (UTC)
kenziekinz09 10th-Aug-2017 06:50 pm (UTC)
I think they generally all greet each other, but because it's expected for juniors to greet seniors they tend to wait in their rooms so other groups know where to find them. But hierarchy is a really big deal in all of Korean culture- for example I have a Korean friend who's a few months but not a full year older than me and I still regret to her as unnie. It's mostly for practice reasons because she doesn't care but if we're in a larger group people are really offended on her behalf if I don't address her properly. It definitely seems like overkill sometimes if that's not what you're used to but I always defer to a Korea's opinion in situations like this.
cagallisakura 10th-Aug-2017 06:32 pm (UTC)
i saw this ONE tweet by a wanna one fan saying snsd should've bowed to wanna one because they ranked higher and out sold snsd LOLOLOLOL know your fucking place 😂
kenziekinz09 10th-Aug-2017 06:51 pm (UTC)
Ugh stupid youths
soyunatetera 10th-Aug-2017 06:35 pm (UTC)
I don't think new groups are arrogant, well maybe some of them are but I really doubt is all of them. I think it's just a nice tradition that got lost in time, plus I remember the time when snsd were rookies the industry was a lot smaller, everyone knew each other and I'm sure it was easier to acomodate time and place for greeting of senior, today with a new group debuting every five seconds it must be more difficult and not a priority, which knowing how important senior culture is in Korea, is not a good thing. But I see no malice in this tho
sparkb 10th-Aug-2017 06:57 pm (UTC)
i think the same way re: the industry is smaller before. So all the artist really depends on reputation thus make an effort to Senior and PDs that could land them a chance to be more recognized.
sparkb 10th-Aug-2017 06:42 pm (UTC)
I come from similiar culture. For me the senior-junior relationship supposed to be respectful and warm in general. But because some trash people play a power tripping game so it end up looks like forced/mandatory and tiring. And like other users mentioned, its good for your rep. You dont need to lick their feet or such, just being nice in general.

At first I feel the warm vibe from hyoyeon that shes really thankful bcs a junior greets her. But then rmb the shade taeyeon (and ig herself also?) throws @ sasaeng fan and I'm just lol

japataz 10th-Aug-2017 08:31 pm (UTC)
Mte.. I know it's a cultural thing but I'd rather have someone legitimately respect me then fear that I'll call them out if they don't give me false greetings.

Exo have known snsd for years and members have dated - not really a fair comparison to show that they greeted snsd.

And yeah- both Hyo and Tae haven't really impressed me each time they decide to use their social media to call people out- (I know that's a whole different topic so won't elaborate too much) but it kind of makes them seem like mean girls
digitalqueen 10th-Aug-2017 06:43 pm (UTC)
like, they are just supposed to greet them and be like "take care of us in the future bye" it doesnt take more than 5 minutes, some ppl are acting like they have to bow down on the floor and kiss their feet or like its such a big sacrifice for rookie groups to go greet their seniors

Edited at 2017-08-10 06:49 pm (UTC)
kenziekinz09 10th-Aug-2017 09:22 pm (UTC)
This tbh

Edited at 2017-08-10 09:22 pm (UTC)
anconeous 10th-Aug-2017 06:44 pm (UTC)
Kids these days need to learn their manners. It's basic respect. Plain and simple. I work in the medical field and in our hospital, we teach our medical interns to always greet their seniors. A simple hello or good morning/afternoon/evening would suffice. Better to greet a senior that waves you off or hardly acknowledges you rather than to be talked about as the intern who doesn't greet seniors.
existingisfunny 10th-Aug-2017 06:44 pm (UTC)
I wish kpop fans themselves held any regard to seniority these days. Everyone thinks their latest fav is the hottest shit without acknowledging the opportunities they've been afforded because people wore the path down, it's easier to walk. For example, every time BP tops iTunes or YouTube or whatever it's like when will your faves but hello this is peak kpop international fame, the Internet has never been so accessible, and they're from YG. You can't compare some successes to others. It's like comparing tje worth of a dollar from now to a dollar 40 years ago. Inflation exists.

Edited at 2017-08-10 06:46 pm (UTC)
365daysafter 10th-Aug-2017 07:18 pm (UTC)
tbh lol. It's why I'm happy for groups who are popular now but if so many groups are getting 100+ million plus views on YT, it doesn't mean much to me...

or when people compare groups nowadays to 2nd gen. It's just different, it's hard to stack up the success of one generation to the other, especially when the former paved your way. Like calling Twice the new Snsd, sure they have similarities, but Twice's road to success is very different from Soshis.

Edited at 2017-08-10 07:29 pm (UTC)
petecarl 10th-Aug-2017 07:02 pm (UTC)
I get why the senior idols are upset, but I think it's a good change. Handing out CDs is often a waste of money, and they get trashed or regifted. I mean, CDs aren't cheap. Also it'd be good for the greeting culture in SK to loosen up. A lot of idols (senior and junior) spend a ton of time doing nothing for their careers b/c they have to wait to greet the PDs of the music show even thought they've already done their stages when they could be greeting fans, going on other shows, or getting necessary rest.
a_cheshire_grin 10th-Aug-2017 07:12 pm (UTC)
Even though I come from a culture, who is also big on the senior and junior thing (I'm Japanese), I always found it weird that Kidols did that CD/album handing out thing. I mean, sure, greeting and showing respect to your seniors is something you should do (mutual respect is best!), but going from room to room to give everybody their new album, always sounded like a drag to me. What if these people are busy preparing for their performance? What if they would like some time for themselves before the show starts? What if they're really not interested in the album and will just let it gather dust somewhere or throw it away?

We don't have something like this in Jidol culture, plus, I think it's mostly the companies and/or the managers, who decide if idols give out albums/visit seniors in their rooms. I doubt that the idols themselves have much say in it.
giriboy 10th-Aug-2017 08:38 pm (UTC)
i was wondering abt this w/ the japanese idol industry, tbh! i barely follow jpop (just one group, and even then i only listen to their music) so i don't know much about it but for the korean industry it seems like, very by company policy. i hear about the giving albums thing from, mostly, either: a) nugu groups, who need the promo, or b) sm groups. i know some ppl mentioned jyp/yg's policy for it are waaay different than sm groups so it just seems like a, idk, kinda silly thing to get all up in arms about. greeting your seniors i get (even tho in america we don't do the senior/junior thing like they do over there, or in japan) but the cd giving policy which is included in greeting is pretty ridiculous, imo

anyway i was just like, wondering abt that & thanks for clearing it up! i went on a tangent, soz
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