T-ARA HYOMIN AND BORAM FUEL BULLYING RUMORS

7:25 am - 07/28/2012

After news of an alleged conflict between T-ara and member Hwayoung spread, Core Contents Media released a statement that they would be making a big announcement concerning the group on July 30 KST.

T-ara’s Hyomin changed her Twitter profile picture on July 28 to a partial screencap with cut-off words. Netizens, however, soon uncovered the entire picture and meaning of Hyomin’s new profile picture.

The full picture shows a turtle walking through arid soul with the large caption: “There’s a reason for everything.”

What do you think Hyomin was referring to?

Source: My Daily via Naver, AKP



pictures in source.
netizens are pissed off too
sungmin 29th-Jul-2012 05:48 pm (UTC)
that's a pretty big part of what bullying is.
sadistic_dance 30th-Jul-2012 01:46 am (UTC)
I'm aware of that but their criticizing their team member in a group where the CEO said if someone can't handle it or is showing lack of motivation they'd be replaced.

It's probably something they've discussed before and are fed up.

Still I agree, twitter isn't the best place for that.
sungmin 30th-Jul-2012 01:49 am (UTC)
okay but that doesn't make sense. if they're fed up of what they perceive as a lack of effort on hwayoung's part, then why don't they just sit back and wait for her to be replaced? why bitch about it? why wouldn't they be relieved to have that rule in place?
sadistic_dance 30th-Jul-2012 02:22 am (UTC)
T-ara members complain about everything on twitter. That's actually just kind of the nature of our time. People over share on the internet. But T-ara is a bit of a standout, at one point it seemed like all the members were deeply depressed and started making worrying tweets around the same time.

The rule was set in place to pit them against each other and make them mindful of the complaints they were tweeting. Hwayoung is more likely to be in trouble for saying she needs time to recover than they will for criticizing her for it. Their CEO is dick like that.
sungmin 30th-Jul-2012 02:35 am (UTC)
none of this really addresses or excuses what they're doing.
sadistic_dance 30th-Jul-2012 04:50 am (UTC)
I'm not trying to excuse it. I already said that it was a terrible way to address the problem.
amy 30th-Jul-2012 02:07 am (UTC)
when you're working in a results based environment and someone isn't pulling their weight you don't publicly berate and mock them unless you are trying to do actual emotional damage to the person in question. if it's bothering you so much that you feel the need to bring it up, you go to your manager or supervisor or whatever and you tell them 'john isn't pulling his weight and i think there needs to be something about it so that the team can function more efficiently.' this is ESPECIALLY bad considering that they work in a field where public opinion of a person can have such an effect on the future of careers. meaning that, by saying what they did in a public sphere, they weren't just taking the initiative to harm hwayoung emotionally but were also putting her livelihood and future in jeopardy.

on top of it all, this is happening while hwayoung is injured. she can't even walk rn but she traveled all the way to japan to perform in a concert alongside her bandmates and she has continued to perform on stage through day by day promotions, also despite that injury. you might not know about this because idk who all you follow but in 2010 when tiffany hurt her ankle during hoot promos she stopped showing up to performances altogether until it was healed. that's one of many kpop artists who have taken extended time off during important promotions because of injuries (which is what they should do). to imply in any way, shape or form that she's lacking dedication considering all of these things is just plain cruel.

tl;dr, this is a bullying in the work place 101, regardless of whether they're close friends or not and ONLY considering the statements that t-ara members have made on twitter and not all the other evidence of hwayoung being mistreated in various ways.
sadistic_dance 30th-Jul-2012 02:29 am (UTC)
This is CCM though. They've proven time and time again that they don't care about making a healthy group. They care about making a popular money making one at the expense of the girls.

I think it's happening because she's injured. Eunjung performed with various injuries throughout her career. And she has A LOT of them. Jiyeon was promoting music while working constantly on dramas and other projects without rest. Every chance she gets she mentions how over worked she is. Hwayoung gets injured and takes the time to recover and apparently from what I can see the girls take issue with that. Is it right? No. Does it make sense? No, but if they always have to work through their physical trauma it's understandable they'd be bitter towards Hwayoung for not doing the same as them. Again this is a problem with their company though.
sungmin 30th-Jul-2012 02:36 am (UTC)
eunjung has previously taken time out because of injuries.
sadistic_dance 30th-Jul-2012 04:47 am (UTC)
After she Lovey-Dovey'd her ankle to death. If CCM could get away with it they'd send T-ara out bleeding half to death.
sungmin 30th-Jul-2012 04:48 am (UTC)
no, during yayaya promotions. she hurt her ankle and was missing from most of the performances.
sadistic_dance 30th-Jul-2012 06:55 am (UTC)
Oooh I remember that. I'd forgotten.
amy 30th-Jul-2012 03:45 am (UTC)
none of those things are excuses for them to say the things they said the way they said them and gang up on her like that in public. let's say they do have reason to be bitter toward her for taking time off to heal her injuries (imo, this still makes them kind of sad individuals). that in no way excuses the girls for publicly saying what they said about her. i noticed up there that you defended the girls by saying that it's normal for them to complain about things on twitter but i think that point is irrelevant. there's a difference about complaining about how you feel physically and making belittling comments about your coworkers. comments like those can get you fired depending on your employer and there's a reason for that.

but even that point is irrelevant because hwayoung isn't taking time off - she's still there for performances at the weekly shows and still went to the concert in japan. all she's doing less than she would do otherwise is sit during performances because she needs to rest her injury. so what is there for them to even take issue with? nothing. what the other members did is wrong and constitutes bullying. the only thing that their company can be blamed for in this situation is the way they've created a rivalry within the group, but even then the girl's are at fault for ganging up on the one who appears to be the weakest link instead of trying to work together to shut their company up.
sadistic_dance 30th-Jul-2012 04:55 am (UTC)
It sounds like you're applying this logic to an office setting. That's not the case here, the situation is a bit different. That said I'm not trying to excuse anything. This definitely should have been handled privately and I never said anything different.
My point in bringing up those things was that CCM is terrible and and mistreat most of the members. They seemingly purposely foster an unhealthy working environment for the girls.

They never sat in performances or things like that. If they thought she as being treated lightly then they reacted accordingly. Like I said it's CCM that fosters this bad environment and that kind of thinking.

Again I don't think criticizing someone is bullying, even if they did it in the wrong way at the wrong time.

People don't shut up CCM. They're literally the worst.
amy 30th-Jul-2012 05:35 am (UTC)
the logic is suitable in both situations because both situations are dealing with etiquette in the work place. regardless of the relationship these girls have outside of work, at these times, they are coworkers and they are professionals first and foremost. those tweets were not professional and they were not acceptable things to say about your coworkers in a public sphere. if they had a problem with what was going on with hwayoung they should have discussed it with their company or hwayoung herself in private. if they did do that and still went to twitter to criticize and embarrass her in public then that's even worse because not only is it bullying, it's throwing a temper tantrum at their 'office' for all the customers to see.

what i said about 'shutting ccm up' was supposed to mean that they should be working together to give ccm nothing to complain about so that when ccm does the horrible things they're doing to these girls, the public will have reason to voice opposition and be on the sides of the members. seeing the ways the girls acted toward one of their own i would think twice before criticizing ccm for switching up the member roster because obviously there is discord in the group and they aren't being professionals. whatever environment you're put through while working you always have to stay professional if you want to in any way shape or form gain the upper hand.

don't take that as me defending ccm, because of all companies they're the shadiest in my opinion and this doesn't make me think any less of the decisions ccm have made in regards to tara and the treatment of tara members. what i'm saying here is that in turning on each other when they should be sticking together even more than before the girls are giving ccm that much more power over them and losing the support of the public at the same time.

there's really no way to color this that leaves the members who tweeted those things without any blame. they chose to tweet what they tweeted without regards to the feeling and well being of hwayoung. but you're free to keep trying to defend them and their great example of how to bully someone they dislike or are bitter toward into leaving their organization.
sadistic_dance 30th-Jul-2012 06:50 am (UTC)
I don't have to defend them.

If the tweets were more malicious I'd be more gung ho about the bullying but they didn't say anything that other people on twitter in k-pop don't say.
amy 30th-Jul-2012 07:06 am (UTC)
i think saying an injured someone trying to do her best for the group isn't dedicated, calling them selfish and immodest and then ganging up on them with all of your friends to push the public ridicule is a pretty damn good example of bullying. if you can find me tweets from other kpop idols saying things like that about their bandmates then i'll gladly think just as lowly of them.
sadistic_dance 30th-Jul-2012 07:11 am (UTC)
I think that's where we have the schism in this conversation. It's not suddenly bullying because more than one person has something to say. If it's an issue that all the girls are having than why wouldn't they all speak.

Again I agree, handling it through twitter on a public forum was the wrong thing to do but I don't think there's a problem with what was said.
amy 30th-Jul-2012 07:18 am (UTC)
the first comment was rude, out of line and probably hurtful for her if she cared so much as to tweet a response to defend herself. then all of them ganged up on her to push her into a corner after she had made it clear that the original comment was hurtful. that means they purposely pushed the issue as a group in order to hurt her further, which is bullying. end of story. you not seeing this is a prime example of why bullying is so out of control in our society.

still no examples of how other kpop idols say the same things on twitter?
sadistic_dance 30th-Jul-2012 07:37 am (UTC)
And again criticizing someone isn't bullying, if it's criticism from more than one person. Did it only need to come from one person maybe, but it didn't. Just because her feelings were hurt doesn't mean they've bullied her it simply means her feelings were hurt.
I really don't need you to tell me what bullying is, I really really don't.

Do I really need to dig through peoples twitter feeds and interviews about how much effort they always put into everything they do? Really? You'll be waiting an eternity.
amy 30th-Jul-2012 08:05 am (UTC)
you're making excuses for their cruelty toward another human being. they work very closely with hwayoung. they could have said these things to her if they really meant for it to be constructive criticism. this was destructive criticism. it was said with the purpose of hurting her in some way shape or form, be it large or small.

the reason this occurrence on twitter is bullying is because it was done in public with the apparent purpose of embarrassing her and belittling her. the definition of bullying is to "use superior strength or influence to intimidate (someone), typically to force him or her to do what one wants." is this not using superior strength (numbers, the public sphere and then the ceo of the company) to intimidate hwayoung? it's bullying. this specific example is not extreme bullying, but it's still something they deserve to face consequences for. defending their actions on twitter just plain isn't cool.

yes, i would like you to pull out examples, because i have never once seen a kpop idol seriously belittle the hard work of and humiliate a bandmate on twitter or any other public venue in the way that tara did hwayoung this week.
sadistic_dance 30th-Jul-2012 09:41 am (UTC)
This criticism was not destructive. They felt she should work harder and they told her.

Again I know what bullying is, I know how it works and I know what it feels like. I don't need you to explain it to me.

And again, what they said wasn't humiliating or belittling. It was at most passive aggressive.
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