12:21 pm - 02/02/2013

[Pann] CNBLUE/FNC caught buying back their albums?

I got this from netizenbuzz. It's a long read, but very interesting, so I thought I'd share.




Reader request. The way this was organized was too confusing to just do a direct translation of so sorry that I chose to summarize it instead.

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What the Pann basically states is that there are three points of suspicion with CNBLUE's recent sales that are leading to the conclusion that FNC Entertainment bought back their albums. I double checked all of this on Hanteo because there were a few wrong examples given that I'll elaborate on later.

1. Hanteo resets daily sales for all artists every day at around 10 a.m. Hanteo users and other fandoms noticed that CNBLUE started every single day off at 500 sales already made while every other artist started at the expected 0. This is impossible unless 500 fans were waiting outside record stores and buying CNBLUE's CD at the exact moment Hanteo resets.

2. Album sales normally drop over the weekend, specifically on Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. CNBLUE did not drop and also managed to sell 3,000 on each of those three days while other artists dropped and barely hit 1,000. The following week, they sold 80 albums.

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3. Fans and netizens claiming that this was a buyback all decided to wait for the Gaon chart to 'test the truth', so to speak. Judging by their Hanteo sales that week, CNBLUE should have been ahead of SNSD since they tripled them in sales, but the Gaon chart showed SNSD at #1 over CNBLUE.

This raises red flags because your results on Gaon should always be greater/better than your results on Hanteo (this is where all buyback controversies start).

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Note by the author: I had to redo this chart because the original source copy had the wrong numbers for CNBLUE. This chart is usually used to prove the Gaon>Hanteo formula. So by the formula, CNBLUE's numbers for 2012 are normal.

Think of Gaon as like a test. Gaon puts out a test saying you can only earn up to 100 points. Hanteo is your score on the test. You can earn 80, 90, or even a 100, but what happens when you earn 110? It's impossible, and that's what happened with CNBLUE.

FNC Entertainment allegedly bought back their albums to have the sales count on Hanteo and then returned them after the numbers were put up on Hanteo (Hanteo counts every single album that went out that day, whether or not they were later returned). Gaon only counts the total number of actual albums sold, so the buyback boost would not be reflected in their score.

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The source copy only showed the first couple numbers so the totals are rounded/estimated.


Following the formula that your results on Gaon should be greater than your results on Hanteo, CNBLUE failed the formula because Hanteo shows them as having 26,800 copies sold and yet on Gaon, they didn't manage to beat SNSD, who only sold 10,300 copies the same week on Hanteo.

That means 16,500 copies of CNBLUE's albums are in limbo.

Fans tried to shield this saying that there were 100,000 preorders made on the album, but considering that CNBLUE only sold up to 70,000 copies their first two weeks (which also included two fan signings), that still leaves 30,000 copies in limbo.






1. [+220, -106] I knew this was happening ㅋㅋㅋㅋ They sold way too many albums compared to the actual size of their fandom ㅋㅋㅋㅋ Look at the fans trying to shield this. When every other artist started the day at 0, CNBLUE started at 500 every. single. day. TVXQ, Big Bang, and SNSD all have trouble selling over 1,000 over the weekend but how does CNBLUE manage to hit the 3,000 ceiling? And the excuse that you have many international fans buying albums doesn't make sense because that's basically saying TVXQ, SNSD, and Super Junior don't have has many international fans as CNBLUE ㅋㅋㅋㅋ

2. [+204, -91] ㅋㅋㅋ I don't even know what to say because it's just so obvious. How are fans going to explain the group selling 3,000 each day for a week and then suddenly dropping to 80 after they win #1 on Music Bank? There's no room for excuse once you're caught by Gaon. 4minute and other girl groups that got caught over this were even in the news. Don't think of shielding this when this is more obvious than what they tried to pull.

3. [+169, -86] CNBLUE fans seem to think that preorders mean actual sales but just because there were 100,000 preorders doesn't mean that many were actually sold. There could be 100,000 preorders but not one actual sale, if you see what I mean.








"As a BOICE, I can say that both CNBLUE and our fandom see no pride in winning #1 through buybacks and broadcast points."

"INFINITE, Jaejoong, and SNSD fandoms were already aware of this going on because they were tracking the numbers right with them."

"The fact that they were at a 500 lead at reset is suspicious enough."

"Don't hate on CNBLUE, hate their company. I saw them start at 500 every morning, and unless they have some crazy fan buying 500 copies of one album every day, they need to come out and show their receipts right now."

"Considering that CNBLUE's song is better than SNSD's, I really can't hate on them for buying back their albums."

"Even if they won through buybacks, this #1 makes more sense than that stupid SM song winning #1."

"It sucks that F.T. Island has to sell their own albums through their skills while CNBLUE gets the full support of their company, fu*k.."

"CNBLUE has no fault in this, they're completely at the mercy of their company. What kind of a group would want to buy back an album that they composed themselves? Obviously the higher ups weren't satisfied with their progress and started getting greedy."

"FNC seems to have more money than they're letting on. Juniel's song was played on Gentleman's Class all the time."

"It's 100% a buyback because once you break the Gaon>Hanteo formula, you really have no way of explaining the difference. B2ST was in the same boat last year. Fans denied that the company was buying back albums but once the Gaon and Hanteo chart comparisons came out, they all had to shut up."

"I don't get why fans are saying CNBLUE has more Japanese fans than Korean. If that's the case, then SNSD has more Japanese, American, Chinese, Thai, etc fans all over the world and yet CNBLUE sold more than them?"




Sources: netizenbuzz pann.nate (original article) and 2nd pann.nate (another original article)

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mighty_romance 2nd-Feb-2013 04:12 pm (UTC)
So if i'm understanding this correctly, buying back albums is a way for the company to get their artist/group to place at the top of the charts and basically save a little face? If they're making more records than they're selling and then buying them back aren't they losing money? Idk. This whole thing is stupid. And unfair.
missnothings 2nd-Feb-2013 04:16 pm (UTC)
Yes, the lose money because they're buying their own artists' albums back, but placing at the top of the charts gets a lot of news and exposure, and usually brings out cf deals, more appearances of shows, etc. So they eventually would make that money back by the future activities of the group. It's a crap shoot though. Like any business scheme really.

missnothings 2nd-Feb-2013 04:19 pm (UTC)
The comments on netizen buzz are killing me. So much butthurt, everywhere.

It is interesting to me, but I don't necessarily 100% believe this, and I won't until I see Gaon's monthly numbers. If they do come out as less than Hanteo, then I will think it's pretty fishy.
emraem 2nd-Feb-2013 04:32 pm (UTC)
here 4 gollum
bunica1990 2nd-Feb-2013 04:47 pm (UTC)
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<3
soramai OMG2nd-Feb-2013 04:38 pm (UTC)
titre ou description
anconeous Re: OMG2nd-Feb-2013 04:44 pm (UTC)
I have missed popcorn!Jae like no other. :)

Him eating with his mouth full still bothers me so much. LOL
sweet16een 2nd-Feb-2013 04:43 pm (UTC)
Why is when SNSD wins no one thinks twice about it, but when CNBLUE
wins over SNSD this happens.

whatever a win is a win and I'm still happy for CNBLUE

missnothings 2nd-Feb-2013 04:50 pm (UTC)
Lol seriously. I've seen so many sones online bitching about CN Blue beating SNSD, and how it's rigged and manipulated. And that Music Bank is biased against SNSD and SM.


Edited at 2013-02-02 04:50 pm (UTC)
chostick_1988 2nd-Feb-2013 04:49 pm (UTC)
whhhhyyyy
you make me cry
seung_is_my_ho 3rd-Feb-2013 03:48 am (UTC)
Why indeed G.O. ;A;
cirtnecce 2nd-Feb-2013 04:53 pm (UTC)
Nothing new. I'm just sad for the lack of curr their company gives FTI
hipployta 3rd-Feb-2013 04:22 am (UTC)
Honestly I was trying to hold it in but I feel the same damn way.

WHERE IS MY GOTDAMN GLOBAL TOUR WITH FT ISLAND?! WHY IS CNBLUE GETTING ONE FIRST?!

AND I DON'T WANT NO BLOODY JOINT CONCERTS! I WANT AN FT ISLAND (maybe with guest Won Bin) CONCERT IN THE UNITED STATES!
anconeous Since Jae's already eating popcorn2nd-Feb-2013 04:54 pm (UTC)
hugtimes Re: Since Jae's already eating popcorn2nd-Feb-2013 05:39 pm (UTC)
heechul ^^
i miss him~
chansnug 2nd-Feb-2013 04:56 pm (UTC)
haha wouldn't cn blue have won anyway? their broadcast points were crazy high
cirtnecce 2nd-Feb-2013 04:57 pm (UTC)
FNC doesn't have enough faith in them beating SNSD ig
the_erotomanic 2nd-Feb-2013 05:06 pm (UTC)
surprised at snsd's monthly album sales. that's pretty low for them.

but cn blue's song is doing well digitally. so they're kinda still relevant?

Gaon only counts the total number of actual albums sold

i thought gaon counted albums shipped and just make adjustments later on for the actual albums sold.
feel_my_mind 2nd-Feb-2013 05:16 pm (UTC)
Um, its over what Oh sold in one month (By 10K) and only 2K less then what the Boys sold. So I'd say its about average. It had a far weaker opening week then either, but much stronger following weeks.
mad_nux 2nd-Feb-2013 05:07 pm (UTC)
"Even if they won through buybacks, this #1 makes more sense than that stupid SM song winning #1."
lmao
thewarpedmelody 3rd-Feb-2013 06:55 am (UTC)
LOL
twinkystar16 2nd-Feb-2013 05:08 pm (UTC)
i think their album points on music bank is reasonable
lol so much butthurt in that netizen buzz post, i just can't
either way, they'll still win because of that 9k broadcast points

cnblue may not have strong fanbases but they have many casual fans who bought their albums, their past decent sales proved that, the other albums passed 100k
if it's true that FNC is buying back some of the albums, i'm side eyeing han sajangnim, please have more faith in cnblue, they did well
their LE albums are currently out of stock, some international fans need to wait to place their order


"FNC seems to have more money than they're letting on. Juniel's song was played on Gentleman's Class all the time."

LOL this is stupid, Juniel's song is the unofficial theme song for maeahri-yoon, and FNC CEO produced the OSTs for A Gentleman's Dignity


Edited at 2013-02-02 05:35 pm (UTC)
erbalurbal 2nd-Feb-2013 05:56 pm (UTC)
I don't think its about sales. They just wanted to win on music bank at least once for exposure. A bunch of popular singers are coming back so that window is small.
feel_my_mind 2nd-Feb-2013 05:21 pm (UTC)
So I'm taking nobody noticed that original Korean article was from 1/28?

Sones knew CN Blue was going to win (unless they got some weird crazy high broadcast point score out of nowhere), SNSD knew CN Blue was going to win, so it isn't butthurt, but actually just another case of, maybe, getting caught. (FNC isn't the first, wouldn't be the last. )

Which is a shame, becuase it is a kick ass album and does deserve high sales.
sandritablue 2nd-Feb-2013 06:17 pm (UTC)
Some hardcore korean sones were butthurt, we caught only one because a boice RT her tweet thinking it was originally a CNBLUE fancam but it turns out it wasn't. This korean Sone and some of her friends were bashing CNBLUE and insulting K-boices.
asnindie 2nd-Feb-2013 05:40 pm (UTC)
Ew at FNC if they did because they don't need to. They might not have the huge fanbase but their albums sell well, esp over a long period and they're doing well Digitally, hell of alot better than Hey You imo. But then this is kpop, it's about Number 1 of everything so they'll buy back if it's possible to win. It's a shame that FNC didn't worry about how it looks and now everything will be about them buying back album, so congrats FNC.

Also the FTI fans need to sit down.

And same about the preorder stuff because preorder doesn't equal to sales.
twinkystar16 2nd-Feb-2013 05:50 pm (UTC)
FNC can be a shit company at times
i questioned most of the decision they made for their artists
they overworked their artists and they lacked faith in their artists's ability as well

sandritablue 2nd-Feb-2013 06:19 pm (UTC)
I found this comment in a forum and i think it's a must read:

"Lol, it is funny how people believe groundless and baseless rumors blindly... I am Korean, flent in Korean language. I've been monitoring very closely at various Korean sites for a couple of weeks now ince I know exactly when and where this "rumor" originated from and what that particular fandom have been doing to spread this "groundless and proofless rumors". I am not going to say where because I don't wan to start fanwars.

All I can say is... this really isn't much of an issue in Korea except few fans in the fandom who started this rumor and probably translated that "penn" posting. Nate "Penn" site is not really a place where people post "real articles" but where people tend to post rumors and gossips. Some of the things that get posted at "Penn" messageboards are pretty outragious and ridiculous. It is sad that overseas fans get a translation article from "Penn" and start to believe that this is actual "truth" when this accusation was posted merely by someone who wants to start groundless and baseless and proofless rumors that even the general Korean netizens pretty much ignore.

I have been following Hanteo commuinity and various other sites. This gets pretty much dismissed as a fans' proofless accusations and speculations whenever certain fans from certain fandom try to make an issue. This is not much of an issue with general Korean netizens and Hanteo community because it is an groundless and baseless accusations that were started by fans of certain fandom.

No, this won't hurt CNBLUE's repuation because that article is not even an "official" article, just merely an "ill-intended" rumor started by fans of other fandom who wants to hurt posted at "gossip" site that all kind of most ridiculous and malicious rumors about celebrities posted everyday by Korean netizens of various kind. General Korean netizens are not even entertaining this rumor as "possiblity". Only people who are talking about this and making an issue are the fans of that certain fandom and CNBLUE antis in Korea.

Like I said, it is very sad that overseas netizens get a translation of "rumor intended" article posted by some ill-intended netizen and believe that it is an actual truth... (continues)
sandritablue 2nd-Feb-2013 06:21 pm (UTC)
I am not saying that FNC did or didn't do anything. All I am saying is that article translated on Netizen Buzz is something that is posted at one of Korean portal sites that are known to be vicious and malicious in starting rumors about celebrities that are groundless and baseless.

No, FNC didn't get "caught" in anything because there isn't even a reason for suspicions of doing such thing outside of "that certain fandoms and antis".

Do you even know that FNC can't even meet demand for albums sales and many of online sites such as DVD Heaven and Yesasia are out of stock on CNBLUE's new album? I ordered my copy of CNBLUE's new album on Jan 22 at Yesasia and it is still yet to be delivered to me because they are still waiting for "stock".

Do you know that Korean fans are having to "pay first to get a number for the fan signing and then receive album later when album gets stocked back" with this new CNBLUE "RE:BLUE" album because stores are sold out of this album? These are the facts. Albums get "sold out" and "temporary out of stock" when supplies can't meet demands. This is happening with CNBLUE's new album. The demands (people buying the actual albums) are exceeding the supplies (number of albums that are actually printed) and this has been going on all week this week with CNBLUE's new album. This is the fact, not a rumor.

Please, don't believe everything you read online just because it is posted, especially those that get posted at a site that is known for "rumor making" place like Penn community. Get the facts before accusing someone or some group of wrong doings.

For your information: CNBLUE would have won Music Bank with or without physical album sales. CNBLUE were way ahead of SNSD on every single digital charts and on mobile charts last week. This past Friday's Music Bank result was based on last week's performance. CNBLUE took over #1 spot on Nate's "bell sounds" from SNSD early part of last week and haven't been out of that number one spot once since then. "I'm Sorry" was #1 on Nate's weekly "bell sounds" chart for last week.

Music Bank digital scores, which combinds digital charts and mobile charts, counts for 60% of Music Bank chart. Physical album sale? Only 5%. SNSD wouldn't have won Music Bank against CNBLUE this week because they were behind on every single digital chart, regardless of physical album sales.

Another thing: The theory of difference between "Gaon" and "Hanteo" charts isn't "exact science". There is some margin for "error" and "uncounted circumstances". A mere 1000 copy difference isn't an indication or proof for "buying out" as that "rumor" start tried to make it out to be. "
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