3:10 pm - 01/12/2015

Bangtan (BTS) release teaser pictures taken in The Holocaust Memorial in Berlin

BTS posted teaser photos on Twitter recently, which is great! But, uh, then people recognized the location as the Memorial to the Murdered Jews of Europe in Berlin.

So … yeah that’s a bad idea. Like horrible. Pictures is one thing, but a fucking photoshoot, apparently for a photobook? Come on.

Anyway, after being inundated with tweets, BTS’s official Twitter finally took the pics down (which is why I don’t have all of them), but it’s a bit late for that anyway.

I trust I don’t have to explain the problem to oppa apologists here.


A spokesperson of the Memorial to the Murdered Jews of Europe had previously commented on a similar situation:

"We only give permission to projects that have a connection to the memorial, the Holocaust or some aspect of commemoration."

This raised concern amoung fans that BigHit either didn't attempt to get permission or were denied and followed suit anyway.

It's also been noted by some that Rapmon had previously worn a hat that bears Nazi symbols (swastika, eagle, and skull). Specifically, the insignia of the SS, who were responsible for running the concentration camps all over Europe.

BigHit has yet to release an official statement.

Pictures under cut.Collapse )

Source: AsianJunkie, Jezebel

This is disgusting. No words.

I don't really like linking AsianJunkie since their "articles" are not really "articles" but it's the only one I could find that isn't Allkpop.
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violentiak 12th-Jan-2015 09:21 pm (UTC)
O my lord, who on earth thought this was a good idea? And "the staff don't speak English, so they didn't know" excuse it's such a bullshit. It would be extremely unprofessional to choose a photoshoot location without checking what the place is.

Also, the excuse about tourists taking pictures in there all of the time doesn't really work either. It's completely different to take a simple shot of yourself in a place like that. (of course if it's not some ridiculous or otherwise disrespectul pose) But doing a photoshoot all dressed up trying to look cool and sexy at a memorial is just not okay.

Edited at 2015-01-12 09:48 pm (UTC)
yakuniku_8 12th-Jan-2015 10:29 pm (UTC)
Exactly! If they posted pictures stating "we learnt about the history of the country we are visiting" i wouldn't mind but posing like that?
boiinks2 12th-Jan-2015 09:27 pm (UTC)
I don't how someone could think this is a good idea. I just can't comprehend.

Although a lot of the responsibility for this rests on the organizers and bighit etc., the boys should have known this was fucked up (and this is coming from a BTS stan).
lostnoodle0317 12th-Jan-2015 09:33 pm (UTC)
queen of the universe says it all
nekokonneko 12th-Jan-2015 09:36 pm (UTC)
Not only was this whole endeavour tacky, tasteless, and offensive, it's also against the memorial's rules.

Man, it's like every time I start to vaguely fuck with BTS, they pull some awful shit and I remember why I keep them at arm's length.

And taking down the photos without comment ain't gonna cut it. If BigHit can issue a statement for condomgate then they can issue an apology for using the site of a war crime as a backdrop to make a profit.

Edited at 2015-01-12 09:41 pm (UTC)
asnindie 12th-Jan-2015 09:36 pm (UTC)
Are they idiotic??? A photoshoot ar the Holocaust memorial?? This is so disgusting. If you've been there you'll realise the place is supposed to make us remember those who lost their lives. Not posing. Big hit get a grip.
kyokomurasaki 12th-Jan-2015 09:36 pm (UTC)
I don't want to sound like I'm being an apologist or pulling the "oppa didn't mean it" card because I'm not trying to defend what they did in any way, but I don't know if the holocaust is something that is commonly taught about in Korean schools (please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong about this because I honestly don't know; but the little information I've been able to find on the subject seems to suggest that it may not be.) It seems that this person was one of the first to teach about the Holocaust in SK and that wasn't until the 1980s at a university level, and the Diary of Anne Frank wasn't published in SK until the 80s, so it doesn't seem to be as big a part of the cultural narrative as it would be in a country that had heavy European involvement in WWII (which SK under Japan did not) or a significant Jewish population. I sincerely hope they are taught about it more widely now, but there might have been a possibility that maybe they weren't fully aware of the magnitude of how horrible this idea was.

BUT that still doesn't take into account the fact that they would have had to get a permit from someone to shoot there, and even if for some reason they didn't, surely seeing signs that said "murdered jews" or even "memorial" should have clued them into the fact that this was NOT an appropriate place to have a photoshoot.
parkjsun 12th-Jan-2015 09:42 pm (UTC)
Said it as a reply to another user but I'll say it again: Regardless of whether or not they can read English or even have some knowledge of WWII, the site still looks like a memorial. Memorials aren't a foreign concept to Koreans. Holding a photoshoot like this at any memorial is disgusting.

Edited at 2015-01-12 09:46 pm (UTC)
modestgoddess79 12th-Jan-2015 09:43 pm (UTC)
glad fans contacted their twitter about this issue so that they took the photos down

this mess could have been avoided if they'd tried to get a permit as is required by the Memorial before doing a photo shoot

they need to release an official apology and not include this in their photo book
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iskerplunk 13th-Jan-2015 04:41 am (UTC)
lol i mean you're in fucking EUROPE where there's an abundance of nice streets and buildings, it's not that hard
marsinblue 12th-Jan-2015 10:06 pm (UTC)
ugh. Why? Just why??
This is so tasteless and twisted...
chimpansee 12th-Jan-2015 10:10 pm (UTC)
That is absolutely fucking horrible, God. They can't have been ignorant, surely, it's such a well known memorial. No excuse for them.

Sort of OT but I have been to the museum that's by the memorial (I think it's free, at least it was when I went) three times now but I still cry every time. It's very powerful. I would urge everyone to go if you're ever in Berlin.
nana_the_dwarf 12th-Jan-2015 10:10 pm (UTC)
I suppose they thought the slabs looked "cool".
Damn idiots.
agoongprincess 12th-Jan-2015 10:19 pm (UTC)
this is the most ridiculous shit i've seen in a while. how did they not know?!?! who thought this was a good idea?!?! you don't need to know a ton just have some basic common sense.

they better release an apology for this, simply taking down the photos isn't enough
miyozari 12th-Jan-2015 10:28 pm (UTC)

Disgusting. As somebody, who was taught about the Holocaust, Germany/Europe's history and the two WWs for basically 13 years in school, I don't even know how and what to say.

The irony is that their German fandom is hardcore and batshit crazy, BTS did even a concert in Berlin and some people I know (please don't ask me why) behaved as if they were 13, although they're more like in their late teens and 20s. I'm so glad I never stanned this bunch of tryhard infantile ~rapper~ idols.

Edited at 2015-01-12 10:46 pm (UTC)
misshoa 12th-Jan-2015 11:17 pm (UTC)
(Fellow German over there? ^^)

I've met some German BTS fans...ugh, just ugh. "Batshit crazy" is pretty much on point. But then again, the majority of 20+ Kpop fans in Germany tends to behave like they were still 13, so I'm not even surprised that the German BTS fandom is crazy too.

msgrottesca 12th-Jan-2015 10:30 pm (UTC)
This is absolutely disgusting, but in my opinion, the blame here lies mostly on the shoulders of management. The boys just showed up and had their picture taken and did their jobs. I doubt they had any say in this.

I don't think it's wise to forget that idols get threatened with gigantic fees for refusing to take part in activities - even something as small as asking not to perform one night on tour. I can't imagine what a company would try to charge them for causing an entire photo shoot to be canceled. These kids are backed into a corner on things like this and it's especially hard for rookie groups, many of whom are still paying off their trainee fees and aren't even making a profit yet. Because of this, I can't help but feel that placing blame upon the group members here is a bit misguided.

Nonetheless, it seems kpop has added Jews to it's list of ethnic groups to insult. As someone with Jewish ancestry (though my family has not been religiously Jewish for a few generations), I can't exactly say I'm thrilled.

Edited at 2015-01-12 11:10 pm (UTC)
kingpsyborg 12th-Jan-2015 10:41 pm (UTC)

- how is anybody gonna argue that koreans don't know about ww2 tho
- speaking of japan you know how everybody (rightly) flips their shit when someone visits yasukuni shrine or anyone refers to a contested territory with a japanese name?! maybe keep that in mind when you fucks with memorials in other countries, for the love of pete

man i never comment on posts for groups i don't listen to but i think my head exploded from incredulity scrolling by this one.
4minutesluts 12th-Jan-2015 11:55 pm (UTC)
to be fair, knowing about ww2 from their involvement in it under japanese rule doesn't necessarily mean they know anything about the european theatre. The only thing that really links the war in the pacific to the one in europe/north africa is that america and great britain fought in both and they were at the same time, there was really very little cooperation between germany and japan. What they did is still totally inexcusable though
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