11:17 pm - 08/06/2018

Pentagon's K-fans have a message for I-fans, explain why they aren't mad eventhough they are



- They are not mad that he's dating Hyuna, they are angry because he didn't tell them about it unlike Hyuna
- They are mad that Triple H was created so they both could spend more time together while in front of their fans
- Believe that there are "complicated parts in the K-pop industry that international fans will find hard to understand", "It's not that we are falsely thinking that we have a chance to date them or something, or they are possessions of ours"
- Claim that fans love them for their image, and dating damages said image
- Want to know if he received consent from the other Pentagon members to date Hyuna

source: Pentagon fancafe via @MoonsHoneyx
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pikapika217 6th-Aug-2018 10:12 pm (UTC)
oh please - there's a REASON Cube felt they had to end promotions early
yxerin 6th-Aug-2018 10:26 pm (UTC)
i mean... yeah. the fans aren't entirely to blame when the companies take part in creating the idol image and indirectly fuel these types of ideas. still -"it's not that we are falsely thinking that we have a chance to date them or something, or they are possessions of ours" honey... that's exactly what you're thinking tho lol
nekobot 6th-Aug-2018 10:40 pm (UTC)
Lol this, it's really not that weird that people have feelings about idol dating lives when it's pushed as one of the most important parts of their product, so why not just admit you like them as an ideal boyfriend and it's part of the experience for you? It's not a weird phenomenon to have that ruined when you find out about their real relationships and not something to be ashamed of if it upsets you a little bit - until you start making up long lists like this to give some sort of deep explanation for your feeling betrayed for any other reason than having the illusion of availability ruined and bailing on an artist you claimed to support "unconditionally" as if they'll miss anything other than the coins you're dropping on them.
glider 6th-Aug-2018 10:28 pm (UTC)
there's an overall big problem with people feeling they "own" celebrities and public figures in pretty much all industries in the world -- actors/actresses, bands, singers, idols, musicians, etc -- so I don't think they're being self-aware when they say they don't feel he's their possession.

aside from that I think this person brought up some good points, I see the "they believe they have a slim chance of dating their fave idol" brought up a lot as a reason for the reaction to dating scandals but I think it's not quite that. it's more like the idol not publicly seeing anyone plays into the feeling that they're faithful to the idol-fan relationship they have. lol it's hard for me to explain but I'm not trying to justify it, I wish people would view entertainers as just regular people who want to entertain others for a living and not form toxic relationships to them.
pourtant 7th-Aug-2018 01:11 am (UTC)
I see the "they believe they have a slim chance of dating their fave idol" brought up a lot as a reason for the reaction to dating scandals but I think it's not quite that.
ia, i don't think delusional fans are as delusional as people want to make them look. it's not that they think they're losing a chance to date their oppar, it's that it kind of messes with the idol's image – just like when you know too much about an actor you start seeing them instead of their character. (not that i'm trying to justify people being horrible and trying to have him kicked out of the group).
921227 6th-Aug-2018 10:29 pm (UTC)
All these points spell out - we are mad

Honestly, if pentagon had been a more senior group or edawn was a soloist or w/e, it might not have been as bad

Also, i havent seen any comments pointing out the slight power imbalance of their relationhip -- i guess its not a concern?
torontok 6th-Aug-2018 10:38 pm (UTC)
I clocked the power imbalance part of this when it came out. Like she's practically an executive at Cube, she's in a very high position in the company and she started to date him in 2016, when he was still a trainee. Hyuna hasn't done much to indicate that she'd abuse that position of power but it is there.

Moreso than dating a junior, I think pushing to create a subunit with her boyfriend was the most questionable thing they've done. The entire subunit was basically made for them with Hui tacked on and essentially a way for them to date publicly while secretly at the same time. It's just kind of a questionable business decision imo because if they ever broke up, that sinks the entire unit.
evilcoc0nut 6th-Aug-2018 10:39 pm (UTC)
Lol I saw this and it's such bullshit. If you love their music and you don't feel like you own them and don't think you will ever date them, THEN WHAT'S THE PROBLEM IF THEY DATE. Quit fucking lying oh my gad. just admit that you're a bunch of emotionally stunted twats and go.

Like, I would almost give them some face if they just fucking owned it. But all these lame explanations just piss me off more.


Edited at 2018-08-06 10:41 pm (UTC)
torontok 6th-Aug-2018 10:43 pm (UTC)
Some of y'all might disagree but I think these two admitting their relationship was one of the stupidest things they could have done. We all know kpop fans need to chill with the possessiveness but this scandal is impacting Pentagon at a crucial time in their careers, when they were finally having a come up and it's going to hit their domestic fandom. hard If they had been dating secretly for years then why not wait a while longer before going public. For Hyuna it doesn't matter much in terms of career impact but there are 9 other boys in Pentagon who are being impacted by this.
kukamine 6th-Aug-2018 10:56 pm (UTC)
I'm conflicted about it because on one hand I think it's a good thing that more idols are going public with their relationships because if more idols do that, then maybe with time people will accept/normalize the concept that idols can date and it won't ruin their image/affect their fanbase (though I know this won't be happening anytime soon). On other hand, I do agree with you. Pentagon having dating scandals just as they're picking up steam is a bad idea because they're fandom hasn't solidified yet and since they don't have a solid fanbase, they're going to lose support as a result of these scandals.
kukamine 6th-Aug-2018 10:48 pm (UTC)
I still don't get why k-fans felt the need to explain their reasons to i-fans, it's not like i-fans are going to understand their line of reasoning anyway

Believe that there are "complicated parts in the K-pop industry that international fans will find hard to understand", "It's not that we are falsely thinking that we have a chance to date them or something, or they are possessions of ours"



their reasoning just comes down to "I'm emotionally attached to my faves and how dare they date someone behind the fans back it's against idol/fandom culture for them to act this way, they're ruining their image~"

Edited at 2018-08-06 10:50 pm (UTC)
vintage_boom 6th-Aug-2018 10:52 pm (UTC)

via GIPHY



the delusion. just say you're mad and move on. this whole "i've been going to every public (and some private) schedule they've had for years I know him" stuff is weird af. get a grip.
chikage_chan 7th-Aug-2018 04:56 am (UTC)
Perfect gif + comment combo!
lulufairybubble 6th-Aug-2018 10:52 pm (UTC)

Yes it is idol culture but it is a part that need to die and never should have happened.

kukamine 6th-Aug-2018 10:57 pm (UTC)
mte
daynr 6th-Aug-2018 11:19 pm (UTC)
I can't decide if this " Believe that there are "complicated parts in the K-pop industry that international fans will find hard to understand" is some "if a tree falls in the woods and no one hears does it make a sound" existential shit or what? Cause, normally, if you can't explain something eventually then isn't that basically just *feelings*?

I'm not impressed when I'm told to respect someone's opinions because *feelings*.

While I also want to set up a situation to spend more time with my boo, it's also a bit questionable. Then again, at least Triple H brought some salacious to kpop performances.

(I'm going to step back from the power differential because I like it. I'll admit it, I'm giving a shallow and sexist pass on this one. (somewhat facetious.))
shinychopstick 6th-Aug-2018 11:20 pm (UTC)
In related news, I'm at least glad Cube did the absolute least and locked their fancafe after thousands of trolls from other fandoms joined and spammed en masse.



babyjenkski 7th-Aug-2018 12:09 am (UTC)
Best move of CUBE. Its like these trolls are rubbing salt into fresh wounds and enjoying it. I was so frustrated seeing those in the fancafe.
thebloomroom 6th-Aug-2018 11:21 pm (UTC)
Omg lmao I hate the whole "its how they deceived us!!!" BS. Like when Sungmin got married. They're deluding themselves pretending it's not the "I have a chance with Oppa bc their agency sold their image as such". Pls. Big Mad.

I feel really bad for the other members of Pentagon :( I think this is the nail in their coffin, they are just too new.
minho_lover 7th-Aug-2018 01:01 am (UTC)

that whole situation w sungmin was soooo sad :(

mlmello 6th-Aug-2018 11:46 pm (UTC)
this whole mess is already getting boring and annoying because of these essays about korean fandom culture from both sides lol
senshicalico 6th-Aug-2018 11:59 pm (UTC)
do y'all remember the "you mad bro?" meme? 'cause that's all I can think reading this.
belintuchiha 7th-Aug-2018 12:10 am (UTC)

The only people I feel bad for in this situation is the other members of pentagon lol

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