9:58 pm - 09/30/2018

Knetz divided on NCT 127's appearance in American programs

"SM treatment ~ SM treatment~"
Since when did SM even have the control over the world and held America in their hands?ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
They're a big company, but right now, they can't even lay their hands on CJㅋㅋㅋㅋ
Of course, it's a fact that SM have a big influence and would push their artists as a company but NCT are the ones who made their own opportunity happen for themselves^ㅠ^
So that's why I find it so hilarious that people are petty over this
Until when are we going to act like SM are the ones controlling everything
With the way you guys give credits to SM it almost feel like they're bigger than Samsung and LG~~~~!

(Original T/N: there were 2 posts trending saying that NCT "don't deserve" to attend US talk shows)

NCT's views proportions per country:
15% US
10% Thailand
9% Indonesia
6% Brazil
5% Korea
4% Mexico
3% Japan
48% Other
Post response:
[+75, -3] So what if they go on that show? No just because they're another group you have the right to gossip about them? Does it put your own fandom at disadvantage if they're going? It doesn't affect your fandom at all, so why are you swearing at them? It's not like that show belongs to your fandom?? Stop being so delusional. They're all going there to make Hallyu more known, what is there that's disadvantageous for us? They go there so they can play in the same waters as foreign singers, isn't it something we should be proud of? By the way, that broadcast station is the one who approached NCT first so can we just think positively? It's because they have a good opinion about Korea and Hallyu that they thought of contacting NCT. Seriously I'm so proud of the fact that they can go and represent our country overseas, but I find it also weird that our country is the one fighting with each other like that. Can we just think positively of everyone? Right now, Japan isn't even a competition anymore, so let's just think with nationalism. And let's stop swearing at each other, this is so pathetic
[+70, -0] It was like that in a community festival before too. I was sitting in the commoners' seat (t/n: not a fandom section) and when NCT appeared, there were a lot of fireworks but the people seating next to me were all saying stuff like "it's all thanks to SM", and when they got to sing 3 songs people went "It's all thanks to SM" again, no but that festival was so irrelevant, why would SM pay to give them fireworks and more songs??ㅋㅋㅋ But then their oppas went on stage and did 3 songs too and they suddenly forgot the fact that they swore at NCT for singing 3 songs and all went "Oppppaaaa!!!!"ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ And when other singers got fireworks during their stages, they thought that their oppas would be disadvantaged ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ ah they're seriously crazy. Stop with the "company this company that" it's just getting cringey
[+62, -1] Their only excuse is "the company paid for this and that" don't they even look for the facts??
[+18, -0] Noㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ With their arguments I almost thought that SM was bigger than Samsung and had influence all over the worldㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
[+15, -0] Don't you think that if SM wanted to grab the international market, they'd start with CJ?... People who are exploding with inferiority complex over SM are so pitiful ㅠ
[+13, -0] People think that the Jimmy Kimmel show is the same level as Life Bar or somethingㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ

Source | Pann | Pannchoa

Are these the same people who complained when BoA and GG did activities in the US? Even though I'm not American, I'm proud that SM artists are given chances to promote there. Like what I said, SM basically starts the trend. The problem with these salty people?
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merlugd 30th-Sep-2018 03:03 pm (UTC)
First, you are right, everyone has the right to go to Jimmy Kimmel. I dont understand what does "the power of SM" has to do here (?). I mean, if they already had ties with ABC because of the MMC then whats to them,? its called working the PR lol. However: "Like what I said, SM basically starts the trend". What trend would that be? Because it was around 2007-2009 that ppl like Seven, Rain and the Wonder Girls were debuting and/or working very seriously to get in the US market. Even JYJ was doing that awful song with Kanye maybe in 2010ish (?) and touring the US, with no label nor support. Then Boas flop of an american movie was in 2013... I also dont think SM started KCon.
Listen, SM is a very important company for kpop, they are one of the parents of kpops internationalization so yeah they started a trend once, but then they got tired... (?)
But anyways...I agree with you: anybody has the right to get that Western validation (too). Right Omona? Or does it makes you proud only because its an SM group?
lelouchikaru 30th-Sep-2018 03:08 pm (UTC)
what I mean on "starting the trend" is that in most instances SM is mainly credited in some specific ventures like Japanese debuts. for the Western validation thing, I'm not complaining if this or that artist, SM or not, promotes in the US, them being mainstream success is a plus. Everyone deserves promotions anywhere.
ironicmustache 30th-Sep-2018 03:06 pm (UTC)
yeah, it does seem like sm pushed their way in, and it's happening a little soon/unnaturally cause people aren't even asking for them to be on american tv ... but nct is the only kpop group i even like right now so i'm excited to watch!
katheli 30th-Sep-2018 03:25 pm (UTC)
SM is well connected and influential I would have been surprised if they hadn't used that to make some moves in the West. It makes a lot of sense for them as a company. And NCT is a cool, young group (at least the ones I know, I'm not super up to date with their system) and are going the make the most of these opportunities, as they should.

but at the same time some of these comments are kinda playing dumb denying that there's seriously no way a group at this level (selling what, 1k?) in the US would be getting these opportunities without SM's connections and money. The narrative that SM isn't even pushing for Western promo and they're just getting these requests and go "why not" is a kinda ridiculous.
lulufairybubble 30th-Sep-2018 03:32 pm (UTC)

SM isn't doing anything that mostly all companies already do or would do if they could. It's about attention, popularity and connections.

lydzi 30th-Sep-2018 03:45 pm (UTC)
Ia, there's nothing special here.
weneedmedicine 30th-Sep-2018 03:33 pm (UTC)
I’m excited for them, and I hope their fans show out for Jimmy Kimmel, because i’m a lil worried about the reception they’ll receive...
vintage_boom 30th-Sep-2018 05:23 pm (UTC)
The tickets sold out in mins it’s gonna be full. Idk how it’ll be with them debuting a new song the fans haven’t heard tho
xbrokenbabydoll 30th-Sep-2018 03:37 pm (UTC)
Sometimes I feel like people forget that, at the end of the day, kpop is a business.
u_know 1st-Oct-2018 12:21 am (UTC)
lydzi 30th-Sep-2018 03:44 pm (UTC)
Is NCT the band with 30000 members ? (I'm exagerating but there it is). I don't like SM so I don't care, but I don't think there's anything bad with bands going in american programs. Where's the controversy here ? :hm:
parksehun 30th-Sep-2018 04:21 pm (UTC)
lmao this always happens with sm groups: when they don't do well they're called 'sm's first flop' (which i've seen happen with exo, rv and now nct) and when things go well for them 'it's because they're from sm'.... ok. i'm not gonna deny that sm has power, 'cause it's obvious that idols from sm have an advantage but this idea that literally everything they achieve is due to company power is ridic. otherwise nct would've been a top bg from the moment they debuted, which they're not.

the thing that annoys me about the backlash nct is getting for this is that tons of unknown artists perform on late night shows... there's nothing to deserve, the whole point is to expose themselves to a larger audience so people bringing up sales and whatnot... stop.

edited to add: can't wait to see haechan taking over the us with his english skills

Edited at 2018-09-30 04:27 pm (UTC)
sasstronaut 30th-Sep-2018 05:57 pm (UTC)
your whole comment is mte, thank you! it’s not like they’re performing at the superbowl lmao

also, haechan has the sweetest little face. i love that kid
existingisfunny 30th-Sep-2018 04:22 pm (UTC)
people are being so weird abt nct's american ventures. the only thing that bothers me is it does seem a tad too forced and i'd rather have a straight up north american tour than all these tidbit interviews/appearances
rockerista03 1st-Oct-2018 09:51 am (UTC)
the only thing that bothers me is it does seem a tad too forced

ia, this is my issue (if we can call it an issue) with their North American ventures. This was my issue back then as well when SNSD started all these appearances/interviews but not really start out with a tour (did they ever tour the US tho? My memory escapes me). As happy as I am for NCT, I can't help but wonder if SM is committing the same mistake they did with SNSD.
pikapika217 30th-Sep-2018 04:50 pm (UTC)
Started what trend? Because WG would like A WORD
lelouchikaru 1st-Oct-2018 01:16 am (UTC)
I'm talking about worldwide, not just US alone.
belintuchiha 30th-Sep-2018 05:00 pm (UTC)

NCT was supposed to be some worldwide project anyway or something like that. Idk cause I’m not into them but idk why anyone’s surprised. Business are always about connections.

vintage_boom 30th-Sep-2018 05:44 pm (UTC)
Oh lord not a repeat of this conversation again :S

And at the end of the day it’s jimmy kimmel...it’s barely a ripple in terms of reach in that market. The reaction on all sides is ott.

And moving to market 127 stateside is smart move for SM to set nct apart from their senior sm groups. Especially being the follow up to exo, there rly isn’t much new ground the group can break.

In the grande scheme this light US marketing seems overall like “well let’s see since the genres in trend rn” Idt North America will ever be a top priority for sm. like you won’t see an nct tour with as many na dates as bts is doing rn because SM is always first prioritizing long term money making markets, like japan, and other sea countries. Even Latin and south America would probably be a better long term bet than NA imo
dull_and_wicked 30th-Sep-2018 06:34 pm (UTC)
if sm was serious about establishing nct's popularity in this market, they would do what other acts (bts, got7, monsta x come to mind immediately) have done successfully and grind it out with smaller tours to bolster a more loyal following here.

purely my personal opinion (as a US kpop fan) but this is just sm capitalizing on the current attention kpop artists are getting here and trying to skip some of the major foundation work. the same way they tried to push snsd in the US not that long after wonder girls were support on the jonas brothers' tour and then went on to do their own batch of NA gigs, nct is trailing behind other groups that have been consistently putting in the work touring for the past few years
youtubelargo 30th-Sep-2018 10:52 pm (UTC)
Yeah, this is where I'm at. I hope the performance goes well but I feel like SM hasn't learned about how to approach US expansion since Soshi. (Like what happened with RV? One fansign and...?)
thebloomroom 30th-Sep-2018 06:47 pm (UTC)
Lmao of course sm has connections? Its a big company. But NCT is structured to be a worldwide thing as a group and they have american members, so why is anyone salty lol. It makes sense for them to do english stuff
nekobot 30th-Sep-2018 07:12 pm (UTC)
It's always such a waste when groups have members that speak more than one language only to then never get to use it - people should applaud this because we missed out on so many fun potential content with the way they've been keeping their older groups sheltered from foreign press.

Getting more idols in that can actually speak to interviewers without rehearsing an entire script full of non-answers could raise the standard for foreign K-pop coverage regardless of which group they're from, so it's a win/win for everyone imo. It's almost like people just want us to stay in "So what's your favourite food??" hell.
nekobot 30th-Sep-2018 07:03 pm (UTC)
I don't really get the argument that they wouldn't "deserve" it - do people not realise appearances on our TV shows are just as dependant on having the right connections, lots of backing and good business sense for Western celebrities as Korean ones in Korea? You generally don't get appearances on them based on talent alone unless you became an Ellen type meme. Sure a lot of big stars get to go on them but to act like it's something you need to "earn" and that a group like NCT wouldn't deserve it when most K-pop groups work harder than our hardest earning mumble rappers is just silly.
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