7:51 pm - 11/29/2018

YG Ent using YT's copyright system to take down videos criticizing Jennie's lackluster performances



source: K-Vids, CronoDroid on r/kpop

Criticism on YG and Jennie is valid, hate towards her not. Stay on the right side Omona!
nekobot 29th-Nov-2018 11:59 pm (UTC)
It's almost like they're trying to create some weird form of torture porn rather than produce musical artists? Especially with their diets like yeah yeah okay you ate an ice cube and a chicken breast a day but pal we wouldn't have loved you any less if you were just assigned a real dietician, a healthy set of protein-heavy meals and a personal trainer.
thebloomroom 30th-Nov-2018 12:12 am (UTC)
Its just so shitty bc its a waste of hard work and deprivation, like honestly she probably would have performed the same without the training lol. She lacks charisma and it's not fixable. Like American artists don't do anywhere near as much training, so for the most part if you have the X factor, that's that. So it is really sad to think she went through all that training (not that I agree with kpop agencies treatment of their idols tbh) and got nothing out of it, like gworl how.
nekobot 30th-Nov-2018 12:21 am (UTC)
Yeah it's a sensitive topic to bring up but so often idol skills just get totally shattered when they're put against a Western counterpart that didn't get that training and just took some lessons or is self taught.

Really off-topic but there must be a TON of weird borderline money laundering going on in the training process because hardly any of these companies seem to have standout effective coaches for dancing, singing or acting and I feel like a ton of trainee debt is built up by paying what is probably just a relative or a friend of someone at the company getting a nepotism job and passing for a "vocal coach" or whatever (if anything the hair+make-up artists and stylists are the only ones doing a fantastic job with idols on the whole) (and surprise surprise most of those are women). Even a company like YG is not immune to this, god knows what's going on at all the nugu organised crime connected agencies. It's so cruel.

Jennie does have SOMETHING but her company just plain sucks at working with what they're given and making the best out of it. There have been cases of idols becoming more charismatic as they get older (I mentioned this in another post) so it's not like she's a lost cause, they really are just trying to force something that isn't there.
kenziekinz09 30th-Nov-2018 03:38 pm (UTC)
Late but I literally considered writing about this once.
nekobot 30th-Nov-2018 10:21 pm (UTC)
I would very much like to a read a well researched piece on it. There have been so many out and open tales of sketchiness that there must be one hell of a story behind it (the fact that they can just run up a bill for you without giving you an expense report with receipts is incredible)
kenziekinz09 1st-Dec-2018 04:08 pm (UTC)
I have part of it drafted. It’s definitely SM focused because that’s where I had the most to work with but unfortunately some of my sources have seemingly been scrubbed from the internet.
tungatunga 30th-Nov-2018 06:56 pm (UTC)
This, every time some paper bring up this "rigours training" I almost rolls my eyes to the back of the head, it's not accident that the best kpop vocalists get debuted basically just after they signed with company, all the vocal training take place somewhere else in more professional environment.

p.s. It's the same with Koreans working the longest hours, with only maybe 40% of that time spent on actual working.

Edited at 2018-11-30 07:05 pm (UTC)
nekobot 30th-Nov-2018 10:20 pm (UTC)
It's becoming a global problem (the hours put in vs actual efficiency thing) but yeah the way it's incorporated into entertainment seems to be so typically Korean.

What you said is right, the powerhouse vocals and amazing dancers already showed up with their skills in their audition tapes before they even started training. And the actual success stories where idols actively get better happen after they debut, where someone who is a terrible singer/dance somehow manages to learn on the job in maybe 2 or 3 years what they inexplicably couldn't be taught in the same amount of time they were training without their crazy idol schedule!
tungatunga 2nd-Dec-2018 01:42 pm (UTC)
And the saddest part is, that is because of their own initiative and effort not their agencies.
modestgoddess79 30th-Nov-2018 06:13 pm (UTC)
most of the so called training is just abuse and trying to see how much they will put up with, I remember Rain saying he was made to dance for 6+ hours without water. Like how is depriving someone of water supposed to make someone a better performer? So many have unhealthy vocal techniques too but we are supposed to believe they did vocal training.
nekobot 30th-Nov-2018 10:16 pm (UTC)
Exactly! Oh my god. They're not training them to create the best possible artists, they're training them to see which ones are the easiest to manipulate, the best victims. And it even works as a sales method because the more fans feel sorry for these idols the more money they'll want to spend on them to make all of this treatment "worth" it.
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