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mallmouse 8th-Dec-2018 07:08 am (UTC)
Others made homophobic comments as well?? Who?? I'm truly curious (not RM or Suga right? As if the colorist comments weren't bad enough)

The reason I mentioned JM isn't just because of his clear out 'Men don't kiss men' comment, but, like, he touches the rest of the members all the time, e.g. V had complained about it from the beginning, there's a video of him literally putting his hands on Jim's balls, and, idk, it's hard not to worry that there may be a serious conflict going on within himself. But of course you're right, we only know what they choose to show us. Like, maybe there's an even heavier drinker within them, who knows
revedesnuages 8th-Dec-2018 02:37 pm (UTC)
Yeah I just don't know about V and Jimin because there seems to be some cognitive dissonance going on. Jimin said men don't kiss, but he tries to kiss the members and ask them for kisses in a lot of videos? But that could just be fanservice. The context where he said it was in some tough guy skit with J-Hope, so it might not reflect his true opinions but it's still a homophobic comment.

In Bon Voyage Season 2, some of the members had to share beds. RM and V had to share a bed and RM was talking about how V has a habit of cuddling him when he was sleeping and said it was gross. I don't know if I'm reading too much into it because he could've just meant that he uncomfortable with being cuddled, but calling it gross is :/

There's a few times when they've made jokes about being gay:
-in a Bangtan Bomb, when Jimin was passing out fan letters, J-Hope tried to kiss him and Jimin said "He likes men a little too much"
-on a radio show, the radio host was talking about how much Jimin likes Jungkook, and V said "I think he kind of likes men"
-Jin was asked about his friendship about Kidoh from Topp Dogg at a fanmeeting and he wrote "I'm not gay, haha"

Most of the examples I listed happened years ago, they don't seem to have said anything recently and they're always so touchy feely with one another so it's possible that they've matured but it's hard to say for sure because the only members who have publicly said something supportive about the LGBT is RM and Suga.
mallmouse 8th-Dec-2018 02:42 pm (UTC)
Ι think I'm the one battling serious cognitive dissonance on this. I've never been into real person shipping (let alone fic), and I honestly don't get how them kissing/hugging/teasing etc each other is fan service when SK is supposed to be a homophobic country, right? What is it I'm not seeing here?
revedesnuages 8th-Dec-2018 02:55 pm (UTC)
Yes, Korea is a more conservative country that still has a long way to go in terms of LGBT rights. The target audience for kpop groups is young kids/teens, who a lot of them are into real person shipping. Companies and idols are aware of this and they play it up for profit. However, a lot of the shippers aren't actually supportive of real LGBT relationships but rather they fetishize gay relationships and think of it as a fantasy.
mallmouse 8th-Dec-2018 03:02 pm (UTC)
' a lot of the shippers aren't actually supportive of real LGBT relationships but rather they fetishize gay relationships '

And that's exactly why I'm suffering from serious cognitive dissonance on this. How can they fetishize it and at the same time be against it?? (and don't get me started on fetishizing real people)
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