5:00 pm - 06/12/2019

2019 BTS FESTA Day 10: BANGTAN Attic + Day 9: BTS Profile 2019 Version

rainstormraider 13th-Jun-2019 01:16 am (UTC)
I enjoyed this but. And there’s a but.
Damn I feel bad for Taehyung.
I feel like they seem to lowkey make fun of him some times. He’s being serious and he still gets cut off during some parts. Even Jimin. Though Jimin will then try to comfort him too which is lovely but telling of their group dynamics.
There’s a very clear equation at play here. Jungkook was clearly loved from the start by all for various reasons. Even when he was a brat. Jin and Suga especially dote on him. And he is clearly their fave among the younger ones. RM and Jimin seem to be the only ones who are patient and overtly kind to Taehyung. J-Hope seems lovely to everyone but maintains decorum. Some of BTS feel like siblings while others seem like friends.

In any case their interactions are fascinating to watch.
revedesnuages 13th-Jun-2019 02:41 am (UTC)
I feel bad for V too, he seems really dejected in group interactions sometimes. In older videos when he was more hyper and outgoing, it seems like they doted on him more then and are more responsive to his odd quirks as you would with a younger sibling. It's almost as if they haven't quite figured out how to deal with the more sombre/earnest shift in his personality because he's a lot more serious with his words now, but they're still treating him as if he's joking around.
rainstormraider 13th-Jun-2019 04:17 am (UTC)
That’s exactly it. Bless Jimin’s heart for being the one to always jump in to comfort immediately but yeah it seems like that.
lil_poisonfrog 13th-Jun-2019 11:56 pm (UTC)
Ia it's funny they said his personality used to be harder to deal with bc it's only been the last 1-2 years ppl have noticed him seeming detached from the others
lydzi 13th-Jun-2019 03:10 am (UTC)
Oh, I don't feel like that about V but then I have a feeling that V is a lot more to handle than what he projects on camera. He has that sweet 4d image and he does radiate cuteness right? But mmm I'm never convinced by it actually XD I'm not saying it's not real, it actually is, but I have this feeling that it's only a part and it's the best part of him. He manages to make all the rest vanish for the army's cameras (I don't know how to say it better argh). And obviously, the members dote a lot on him, particularly -like you said- Namjoon and Jimin (tho Jimin dotes on everyone so it's mostly very very significant with Namjoon here).

What I mean is that V seems exhausting sometimes. Like, he truly exhausts me the most (litteraly) when I watch those vids and he doesn't says much so I can't imagine what it is irl.
mallmouse 13th-Jun-2019 04:21 am (UTC)
idk, to me Jimin seems more exhausting with all that attention he's constantly craving.
I never really cared much about either him or V, but yesterday's Fest was kinda painful to watch. Poor V. JK isn't the brightest either and is almost of the same age (and also my bias wrecker), but noone treats him like this.
I can't help but wonder if the reason V cried so much at the MAMA in HK when Jin said they were discussing dissolving was that he's the one who wanted out. And with such treatment, who can blame him? i really hope that now that they all signed the 7 year contract they won't go back to just ignoring him all the time (even physically, because that's what a turned back is very evident of)
rainstormraider 13th-Jun-2019 04:27 am (UTC)
I didn’t wanna say this but all that break up talk could’ve been perpetuated by some of them wanting to be out of this situation or the apparent speculative cold shoulder could be a result of it. It’s pretty clear that there are some who get along like they were blood brothers and others who get along like they are casual friends. The relationships become clearer with each group interaction.
mallmouse 13th-Jun-2019 05:46 am (UTC)
Are u sure that some of them are like blood brothers though (who btw?)? E.g. RM could be putting so much effort into this that he may not want anything to do with them after their dissolvement. It s def. going to be interesting to read about theie feuds etc like 30 years from now
rainstormraider 13th-Jun-2019 04:22 am (UTC)
You and Jin are very diplomatic about this. Lol.

It’s been pretty clear from all the footage there is out there that Jin, J-Hope and V have very clear on camera personas that may have little to do with how they are bts. I used to think Jimin was wearing a mask too but he seems to have become very honestly expressive in the last year or two. But yeah I feel you a bit on this. V seems to be the very sensitive type, but then again he seems to have suffered significant losses in life too, it tends to make one even more inward looking.
katheli 13th-Jun-2019 04:46 am (UTC)
funny cause I think V is probably exactly like he is on camera? he even said it in the video there's no difference, and the others agreed. I totally agree that he is probably a lot to handle but his on screen personality supports that IMO. He clearly shows when he's not into something or when he's bored or angry. When he's sad, he doesn't really cry a TV friendly tear, but like full on sobs and they have difficulty calming him down. He has his cute side, but he can also be bratty or stand-offish, I think he shows that more than most members actually.
katheli 13th-Jun-2019 04:36 am (UTC)
I'm glad you said it lol cause I wasn't sure if it was just my bias goggles telling me that. It's their usual dynamic tbh, they ignore him a lot, talk over him etc. Not maliciously, but just cause they don't take him seriously? he's not that smart, but he's really trying to be earnest sometimes and I feel bad on those occasions. I think it's partly why he doesn't bother speaking much in group setting anymore. Like JK is doted on as the youngest, and he really gets away with everything while Tae is made fun of for things that are pretty comparable. But JK is the youngest by quite a bit so it makes sense that everyone feels really protective of him. Sometimes Yoongi steps in to defend Tae too, though, but he can also be the most savage ("loser gets Taehyung" lol).
rainstormraider 13th-Jun-2019 05:04 am (UTC)
I think in terms of intelligence Jin, RM and Suga are evenly matched and then it’s Jimin and then V, then J-Hope and then finally our resident dumb jock Jungkook. Lol.
So he’s at least smarter than 2/7.
I also think that what he’s trying to say is deeply intelligent but doesn’t come across as that when he speaks and sometimes BTS shows the patience necessary to hear him out and sometimes they don’t (mostly they don’t). I think age dynamics play into this too and he probably gets unfavourably compared to Jimin and Jungkook all the time too.
V ain’t my bias but it’s clear that in this and the VLive they hosted for their last album drop, their dynamics aren’t the same they used to be. Which is to be expected but still a bit jarring to see.
katheli 13th-Jun-2019 05:28 am (UTC)
the comeback vlive was so painful to watch I've pretty much blocked it from my memory, idk why some members are sometimes so awkward with each other, sometimes they seem fine, sometimes I'm like...??

Edited at 2019-06-13 05:15 pm (UTC)
rainstormraider 13th-Jun-2019 05:47 pm (UTC)
They’re lovely together in the Run Behind that just came out so it could be an off day. But it’s a recurring pattern I noticed with V.

And comments in here acting as if fans aren’t allowed to speculate when there are literal weeks of BTS content that doesn’t end up being cut is such a false sense of superiority. I love watching group dynamics play out and BTS is a treasure trove when it comes to the positive effects of group socialisation.

mallmouse 13th-Jun-2019 06:00 am (UTC)
Meh, i highly doubt Jin is that clever. I know he got into that universify at a young age and all, but lbr it must have been because of his looks. It s probably what RM must have had in mind when he said he was so different from him, who got so much shit for his looks and had to rely so much on his IQ and EQ. Jin even said the only compliment he ever got was about his looks. And of course both RM and Jin come from very privilegded backgrounds, whereas Suga always seemed very woke, and I m sure would have been very articulate in English too if he had been given RMs opportunities to learn English (whereas Jin even spent time abroad to lean English and look at how that turned out)

V, JK and JH probably are on the same level, providing solid proof about multiple intelligences ('cause can I learn dances like that? Not even if my life depended on it). However, it seems like only JK is consciously aware of this, hence why he was so impressed by RM, even saying he was "so handsome in my eyes" awwww.

Then again it s good that V doesnt seem to get some things sometimes, otherwise he d be really pissed off about the way the members ignore and obviously underestimate him (unless it s something objective like how quickly he learns a choreography. Even better than JH apparently). Wonder how come RM hasnt stepped in yet? Or their counselor? V is bound to realize it and get seriously pissed off at some point.
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