11:02 am - 07/14/2019

Love Yourself: Speak Yourself Tour coming to Saudi Arabia

source: BigHitEnt

well, that was a surprise
torontok 14th-Jul-2019 10:50 am (UTC)
Wow. Literally a week after Nicki Minaj had to pull out of a S.A show due to backlash, Big Hit do this? What the fuck?

I'll be the first person to tell you that there's no such thing as a clean government, considering what the U.S has done to my country but for BigHit to send their group who are UN AMBASSADORS, advocate for anti-violence and base a big chunk of their marketing/image off of being for equality and being politically active to a country where LGBT people are given death penalties, migrant worker abuse is rampant, women are murdered for being rape victims or wanting to drive is so unspeakably awful and callous.I get they have Arab fans who want to see them but the message this gives off is pretty horrible.I'd be just as angry if a group chose to perform in Israel or Bahrain.

Edited at 2019-07-14 11:02 am (UTC)
nekokonneko 14th-Jul-2019 11:29 am (UTC)
things are slowly changing there, the law banning women from driving was struck down a year ago. the stadium they're set to perform in didn't allow women two years ago and i've seen lots of emotional messages about how amazing a time it will be for the majority female fans to be there for it.

nicki minaj was blasted for performing for a state-sponsored festival, this is an independent concert. like you say, no country's government is clean. with all the vile things being done to migrants and their children being broadcast in real-time news (literal, actual concentration camps!) it's weird to have this strong of a reaction to one country but not another. the u.s. is israel's biggest bankroller and everyone does shows there; how far does the anger go?

honestly, my gut reaction to this was to be upset but then i saw other perspectives and i sat down and thought over everything, how i just saw them perform in the capital of the nation that architected the goddamned atlantic slave trade and pushed colonialism on all corners of the globe, the effects of which are still on-going and devastating. how that nation is still doing shady arms deals and funding genocide in syria while denying refugees asylum. i haven't yet fully settled on a feeling tbh.

Edited at 2019-07-14 11:31 am (UTC)
torontok 14th-Jul-2019 11:43 am (UTC)
Being an independent concert means nothing when the government still pockets money from it and it's more about the statement. Artists perform in Israel independently, that doesn't change the fact that they're performing on occupied land.
Like I said, the U.S is awful but it is lightyears away from being as horrible as Saudi Arabia, especially if you're a woman, racial minority or LGBTQ and I don't even like the U.S. If any artist chose to boycott performances there because of the current immigration laws, that would be there right and very noble of them but at least artist in the U.S can openly say fuck trump and advocat eagainst the barbaric immigration laws while in Saudi activists, including minors, are being jailed and murdered as we speak.
The driving law being struck down means nothing when male guardianship laws still restrict women's movement. Saudi is responsible for the deaths of millions of Yemenis just this year alone and their cancerous ideology that has pushed radicalism into many other countries including my home country.

I'm Muslim and I get that this something great for fans and nowhere do I blame them for wanting to attend or BTS for performing but I do blame BigHit for this shameless cash grab at the expense of the morals they claim to have. BTS is not a struggling group that needs this gig, they could earn this money elsewhere.
nekokonneko 14th-Jul-2019 12:06 pm (UTC)
every corner of the u.s. that isn't a native-owned reservation is occupied land. and sure celebrities can say what they want without consequence but it's not like the u.s. doesn't target and kill people going against them, they just don't own up to it.

Edited at 2019-07-14 12:06 pm (UTC)
dbsked 14th-Jul-2019 12:22 pm (UTC)
Japan and Great Britain also say hi.
France is probably messy as well, but I do not know much about its history.
kimbafierce 15th-Jul-2019 12:03 am (UTC)
France is disgustingly messy. Practically invented impaling as a death penalty, and cutting heads off. Don't search their history unless you have a terrifically strong stomach.
asnindie 15th-Jul-2019 12:05 am (UTC)
Don't start this nonsense. The crimes of the Saudi government are abhorrent. Esp towards those from the south asian peninsula. This is gonna be used as propaganda too which you seem to have fallen for. It's a disgrace that as in ambassadors they want to perform in SA.
nekokonneko 15th-Jul-2019 01:34 pm (UTC)
I never once said SA or its government were flawless, my point is that there's honestly very little being done by the SA government right now that isn't or hasn't been done by, say, the U.S. The list of countries who have been destabilised and plunged into long-standing conflict and poverty due to the actions of the CIA is longer than my body. Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden were allies of of the U.S. Holocaust survivors are crying out against the migrant crisis, drawing parallels to their own experiences. Reproductive rights are been chipped and chipped away to the point states are passing laws criminalising miscarriages. All this is happening and musicians don't have their morals quetsioned for having shows there. Why not? The U.S. just has better pr.

Edited at 2019-07-15 01:34 pm (UTC)
dbsked 14th-Jul-2019 12:16 pm (UTC)
>> but the message this gives off is pretty horrible

not the message this gives off, but the message you choose to receive.

like wtf???
how on Earth a concert boycotting would help any actual victim of any crime you listed?
asnindie 15th-Jul-2019 12:13 am (UTC)
Then don't be UN ambassadors. Simple. Don't act woke. Don't talk about love and freedom and then perform in SA. They stone people to death publicly. I know international stans are tone dear but this is on another level. Just admit it's about capitalism. Ain't about the fans.
dbsked 15th-Jul-2019 04:02 am (UTC)
how tf is it even related?

I can not tell if you all are just brainwashed by western media or so twisted minded yourself.
dehumanizing of arab and muslim people is exactly what western media doing, and reading the comments here I guess they are good at it, congratz.
your definition of woke has nothing to do with love and freedom, if you only accept what you consider right and force it on others.

>> Just admit it's about capitalism.
Do you think I was under impression their concerts were free?
But ngl I am happy that they decided to have a concert for arab armies, at their level they could go almost anywhere to make that capitalist money.
I only hope they organize everything properly.
torontok 15th-Jul-2019 08:51 am (UTC)
Boycotting concerts is a symbolic gesture, to refuse to contribute to a country where atrocities are being committed is to say you won't associate with them.Artists did this to South Africa during apartheid, to Israel because of Palestine and recently Bahrian, this is nothing new and can be an important way of showing solidarity with those who are suffering as well as draw public support to their cause. It still does more than letting yourself be used a propaganda tool which make no mistake, every artist performing in S.A is being used for.
dbsked 15th-Jul-2019 11:04 am (UTC)
it is a symbolyc gesture, which can be used as propaganda both ways though.
maybe I am too materialistic, but I still fail to see how any symbolic gesture like this would help me if I was a victim.
rainstormraider 15th-Jul-2019 06:49 pm (UTC)
Do people not know how boycotting works?

nekobot 15th-Jul-2019 07:29 pm (UTC)
The complete lack of understanding of the phenomenon "soft power" and how heavily it applies to this specific situation shows that we're still miles away from the effectiveness of boycotts catching on.
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