11:02 am - 07/14/2019

Love Yourself: Speak Yourself Tour coming to Saudi Arabia



source: BigHitEnt

well, that was a surprise
dbsked 14th-Jul-2019 12:16 pm (UTC)
>> but the message this gives off is pretty horrible

not the message this gives off, but the message you choose to receive.

like wtf???
how on Earth a concert boycotting would help any actual victim of any crime you listed?
asnindie 15th-Jul-2019 12:13 am (UTC)
Then don't be UN ambassadors. Simple. Don't act woke. Don't talk about love and freedom and then perform in SA. They stone people to death publicly. I know international stans are tone dear but this is on another level. Just admit it's about capitalism. Ain't about the fans.
dbsked 15th-Jul-2019 04:02 am (UTC)
how tf is it even related?

I can not tell if you all are just brainwashed by western media or so twisted minded yourself.
dehumanizing of arab and muslim people is exactly what western media doing, and reading the comments here I guess they are good at it, congratz.
your definition of woke has nothing to do with love and freedom, if you only accept what you consider right and force it on others.

>> Just admit it's about capitalism.
Do you think I was under impression their concerts were free?
But ngl I am happy that they decided to have a concert for arab armies, at their level they could go almost anywhere to make that capitalist money.
I only hope they organize everything properly.
torontok 15th-Jul-2019 08:48 am (UTC)
You guys keep playing the "People criticizing this are Islampahobic" angle when I am literally a brown Muslim. The Saudi regime has done more to spread Islamaphobia and radicalism and contributed to millions of muslims deaths worldwide than any other entity.

nekobot 15th-Jul-2019 10:43 am (UTC)
THIS, thank you, oh my freaking god. It’s like saying you can’t criticise Nicki Minaj working with a rapist because it would be anti feminist. Or to stop deplatforming that Milo dude because it’s homophobic. Are people seriously that oblivious to how cartoonishly evil the Saudi regime is? How many Muslim lives they’re destroying? They are not a vulnerable minority, they’re one of the most untouchable entities in the world. They don’t give a shit about anything or anyone that doesn’t help put more power and money in their pockets, and even then they’ll make you disappear once your usefulness has run out. Saudi Arabia doesn’t do shit for Arabs or for Muslims.

Islamophobia is having your hijab pulled off by strangers in the street. It’s being held back at customs or maybe even sent back after an 18 hour flight because of your name or the country you happened to be born in (unless you’re Saudi in which case no worries! You’re taken care of :)). It’s people leaving ham on your doorstep. It’s not being able to get a job because people don’t want to hire a Muslim. It’s white extremists shooting up mosques. It is NOT wanting a billionaire boy band to refrain from putting more money towards and lending soft power and credibility to a regime that has so little regard for human life that it kills Muslims and minorities for fun, because from the looks of it? It’s super effective.

Just a week ago we were laughing at EXO being paraded around Donald Trump. Now we’re just waiting for BTS to break yet another record by topping that with Mohammad bin Salman selfies.
torontok 15th-Jul-2019 04:09 pm (UTC)
It is NOT wanting a billionaire boy band to refrain from putting more money towards and lending soft power and credibility to a regime that has so little regard for human life that it kills Muslims and minorities for fun, because from the looks of it? It’s super effective.

Exactly this. People are off their rocker to accuse anyone who advocates boycotting brutal regimes with Islamaphobia. If Bts boycotted my home country because of our government/HR violations, I'd respect it because it's well deserved, not say my rights were being infringed to not attend a concert.

God I hope they don't go near Mohammad Bone Saw. Even from a purely PR perspective that would be a disaster
dbsked 15th-Jul-2019 10:50 am (UTC)
you being brown muslim does not mean you can not be brainwashed or islamophobic, there are plenty of racist poc and homophobic gays, in a lot of cases those are even more intense with their hate.

I get you hate Saudi Arabia, but why do you expect everyone to see the population of the whole country as one entity and hate it the way you do?
torontok 15th-Jul-2019 12:32 pm (UTC)
Nowhere did I say I lump the country into one entity, I have repeatedly said Saudi government;/regime because I don't hold the citizenry responsible for the actions of the royals or think they're all horrible people but that doesn't change the reality of the situation.

And wow,it's so arrogant and presumptous of you to call a brown Muslim woman "brainwashed' or say I have "internalized Islamaphobia' because I criticize Saudi Arabia. How do you get off on comparing me to self-hating gays as if I'm actively campaigning against Muslim rights. So are Yemeni muslim who hate the Saudi regime because of their murder sprees Ismapahobic too? How about the thousand of migrant Muslim from Pakistan and Bangladesh exploited in the country for labour? Spend some time in a Muslim nation that has suffered terroist attacks and radicalism due to Saudi interference and then your opinion will mean anything

Edited at 2019-07-15 12:38 pm (UTC)
dbsked 15th-Jul-2019 03:59 pm (UTC)
where have I called you islamophobic?

I've said you being brown muslim does not mean you are not.
I've said you hate Saudi Arabia, and this is what I've got from your comments.
I am sorry, I probably should have worded it better though, I just do not like statements like "I can not be racist I am poc myself" etc, so I probably got slightly triggered....
I also do not like to bring the word "islamophobia" here as I think it is a very strong word.

>> Nowhere did I say I lump the country into one entity, I have repeatedly said Saudi government;/regime because I don't hold the citizenry responsible for the actions of the royals or think they're all horrible people but that doesn't change the reality of the situation.
Great, then why do you think their citizens should suffer from their royals actions?
But citizens of other countries should not?
torontok 15th-Jul-2019 08:51 am (UTC)
Boycotting concerts is a symbolic gesture, to refuse to contribute to a country where atrocities are being committed is to say you won't associate with them.Artists did this to South Africa during apartheid, to Israel because of Palestine and recently Bahrian, this is nothing new and can be an important way of showing solidarity with those who are suffering as well as draw public support to their cause. It still does more than letting yourself be used a propaganda tool which make no mistake, every artist performing in S.A is being used for.
dbsked 15th-Jul-2019 11:04 am (UTC)
it is a symbolyc gesture, which can be used as propaganda both ways though.
maybe I am too materialistic, but I still fail to see how any symbolic gesture like this would help me if I was a victim.
rainstormraider 15th-Jul-2019 06:49 pm (UTC)
Do people not know how boycotting works?



nekobot 15th-Jul-2019 07:29 pm (UTC)
The complete lack of understanding of the phenomenon "soft power" and how heavily it applies to this specific situation shows that we're still miles away from the effectiveness of boycotts catching on.
rainstormraider 16th-Jul-2019 04:25 am (UTC)
Anyone who has studied the people's history the world over would not be doubting the power of boycotts tbh.
Boycotts are usually the spark that light the keg of revolution.

Edited at 2019-07-16 04:26 am (UTC)
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