11:02 am - 07/14/2019

Love Yourself: Speak Yourself Tour coming to Saudi Arabia

source: BigHitEnt

well, that was a surprise
garnetstar38 14th-Jul-2019 04:44 pm (UTC)
You made a lot of amazing points especially about Muslims not equating Arab visa verse. My mom is from Lebanon & her family was Druze which is a not well known religion. But her father married a women from Brazil which was not the thing so he was disinherited. Anyway long story I do know they are not monolithic as a culture and ways of speaking language are not the same. And yes when a culture is homogeneous it does keep people from seeing the abuse of minorities. My problem is people thinking there is any moral authority to be had. I’m basically a white person living in the US enjoying my life attending concerts without a twinge of remorse about the products I use, the car I drive, the gas I use, the taxes I pay. No problem that my life in any way supports genocide, famine, destabilization, wars. That I could be doing more, saying more about the inequality in my own country & others. But this Kpop concert? Well I must speak out. I must be outraged? BTS is a Kpop band. Yes, they helped raise funds for Unicef (regardless of how much of it actually reaches those in need) They spoke at the UN about speaking your truth regardless of circumstance so I guess this concert alone doesn’t align with their stated beliefs? Not the US, UK Japanese & Korean concerts? All these countries with their hands in inequality, oppression, war, torture? They can have concerts but this country can’t?
nekokonneko 14th-Jul-2019 05:21 pm (UTC)
yeah, the sticking point for me is this idea that some countries (mostly white and western) can have their atrocities, past and ongoing, overlooked when it comes to hosting a concert but others can't?
nekobot 14th-Jul-2019 05:22 pm (UTC)
It should definitely be brought up! None of our countries are innocent and we need to be critical of ourselves and see if we're enabling suffering by being complacent or supporting the wrong people or things. I guess it's also a difference in scale seeing how artists that play in the Middle East are often big names that are already making a shitton of money, and therefor (rightly so) will be on a bigger platform for criticism as it looks like they're just entirely powered by greed. You can argue that people shouldn't tour the US either (and it would make a great statement if people boycotted) but that would mean indie singers and the likes would have zero chance of ever getting their music out there because it's unavoidable to tour Europe/the US, but Saudi Arabia? It's all money, no one -needs- to perform there. The stakes in the argument are just that much lower. I guess it's kind of seen as the difference between performing at a small venue in a remote town vs playing at the White House - one is seen as just work, the other is A Statement (hence what I said before about feeling different if they were performing in North Africa instead), even though both would take place in a giant human rights violation.

Maybe there is a lot of hypocrisy when we talk about this sort of thing but honestly, the potential of oblivious fans seeing this and opting to like...not to go holidaying in Dubai in the future because it educated them makes it worth people saying something about it still. I think the amount of different beliefs, people and cultures in the Arab world is fascinating and I hope that by having these conversations people learn more about the actual humans living in it as opposed to the governments trying to bury their existence and claiming minority status to deflect from their own wrongdoings.

lil_poisonfrog 14th-Jul-2019 05:50 pm (UTC)
Tbh ia with you all over this post. If countries like SA and Israel are worse on a human rights level than the US, it's by the smallest of degrees. In addition to all the atrocities you mentioned, our gov't sits by and does nothing while we're terrorized by white supremacist incel nutjobs killing us in mass shootings. That behavior isn't codified in the law but it might as fucking well be!!!

It's funny bc ppl who support boycotting think they're being super woke but at the end of the day, you have to buy into jingoistic thinking for the argument to work. Now I think artists who play private shows for dictators and shit should be vilified, but idg why the average civilians of those countries deserve pop concerts less than any of the rest of us.

Does celebs protesting even have any potential to change gov't policy? I've never heard of jack shit changing in those places bc Lana Del Ray wouldn't do a show there lmao

Edited at 2019-07-14 09:01 pm (UTC)
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